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Old January 2nd, 2017, 08:01 AM   #11
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They keep lying about the data, none of their predictions ever come true, but disagree and you're a "denier" .

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Climate change is happening. This is just a fact. Most likely there is a human component to it.

To think otherwise is just the result of RW propaganda.
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Climate change is happening. This is just a fact. Most likely there is a human component to it.

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Nobody is saying there is no Climate Change....Ever hear of the "Little Ice Age"??...https://www.eh-resources.org/...Now the Northern Hemisphere had to warm up, didn't it??....There were no fossil fuels being burned making CO2, was there??....These sort of facts make me skeptical of the whole damn climate change meme being made by and able to be controlled by humans..

To think otherwise is the result of LW propaganda.....
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Nobody is saying there is no Climate Change....Ever hear of the "Little Ice Age"??...https://www.eh-resources.org/...Now the Northern Hemisphere had to warm up, didn't it??....There were no fossil fuels being burned making CO2, was there??....These sort of facts make me skeptical of the whole damn climate change meme being made by and able to be controlled by humans..

To think otherwise is the result of LW propaganda.....
The "little ice age" was most likely the result of something (volcanic activity, sunspot activity, changes in ocean currents). It was a depression of average temperatures. The "warming up" you mention was the result of a return to normal conditions. The global warming we see now is a warming ABOVE normal conditions. It is also to a much larger degree and scope then the "warming up" that happened after the little ice age.
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The "little ice age" was most likely the result of something (volcanic activity, sunspot activity, changes in ocean currents). It was a depression of average temperatures. The "warming up" you mention was the result of a return to normal conditions. The global warming we see now is a warming ABOVE normal conditions. It is also to a much larger degree and scope then the "warming up" that happened after the little ice age.
So you do agree that volcanoes and sunspots can and do make significant changes in the global climate???....Don't forget the occasional asteroid, also..
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The "little ice age" was most likely the result of something (volcanic activity, sunspot activity, changes in ocean currents). It was a depression of average temperatures. The "warming up" you mention was the result of a return to normal conditions. The global warming we see now is a warming ABOVE normal conditions. It is also to a much larger degree and scope then the "warming up" that happened after the little ice age.
The Maunder Minimum is cyclic with little if any sunspot activity. The last Maunder Minimum was 1600-1800. Was that range the Little Ice Age? I am curious if there is a connection.
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Christine Todd Whitman, head of the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) under George W Bush, accused Mr Trump of ignoring compelling science.

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So you do agree that volcanoes and sunspots can and do make significant changes in the global climate???....Don't forget the occasional asteroid, also..
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The "little ice age" was most likely the result of something (volcanic activity, sunspot activity, changes in ocean currents). It was a depression of average temperatures. The "warming up" you mention was the result of a return to normal conditions. The global warming we see now is a warming ABOVE normal conditions. It is also to a much larger degree and scope then the "warming up" that happened after the little ice age.
I haven't looked it up, but I've heard there's strong evidence that Europe's 'little ice age' was likely a local event not shared by most of the world at that time, because tree ring analysis along the Pacific Coast showed a warmer climate as well as in China...but I'll leave that for anyone else to check for details.

I try to avoid getting bogged down in numbers, charts and graphs, and stick to the basics: Arctic sea ice extent has declined over 30% since the early 70's, and with the unprecedented rise of atmospheric CO2 levels above 400 ppm (never to fall below that mark for a thousand years) it's just a short time before the ebb and flow of ice extent fall far enough to disappear entirely in a coming summer, and eventually disappear altogether!

What happens after it's all gone? Worth noting now that our increasingly extreme and fluctuating weather is a product of a climate change effect that hadn't been previously forecast..but should have! With more open water and less ice up there, there's less of a temperature differential to power the jet stream currents that have historically regulated weather patterns in North America. And with a badly weakened and often disappearing jet stream, nothing stops strong polar currents from lunging down all the way to Mexico sometimes.

Conversely, anyone living up in the Arctic islands has been noticing the mid-winter thaws, that along with disappearing ice, are effects that northern Inuit who closely monitored weather and ice conditions for thousands of years, have no oral histories or folkloric traditions to reference. Many Inuit elders...who spent their lives closely watching the sky and the sea, were trying to tell scientists and Canadian Government officials 30 to 40 years ago that something was wrong and changing their world. By the time people down here got clued in, the changes had already been set in motion to end life in the Arctic as we know it.

So, these are the things that matter to me on climate change: 400+ ppm means yet another calamity to add to disappearing topsoil, fresh water sources, wild habitats, species extinctions; because hotter times on Planet Earth mean species declines and often mass extinctions when greenhouse gas levels rise to higher levels. And if the past is any guide, mass extinctions take the large animals first! I'm not just talking about elephants, hippoes and whales, during past mass extinctions, no mammals or reptiles larger than mice or shrews survived to rebuild life on the planet...so guess what happens to our descendants!
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So you do agree that volcanoes and sunspots can and do make significant changes in the global climate???....Don't forget the occasional asteroid, also..
No one said anything about significant or long term.

You want to equate the warm up after the little ice age to the warming we are seeing now and that is an apple to oranges comparison.

The reduction in temperature during the little ice age was because of an abnormal environmental condition. When those conditions no longer existed and evironmental conditions returned to normal things "warmed up" as temperatures returned to normal.

What we are seeing with this warm up differs in two significant ways, the amount of the increase is greater and it's more of a global increase.
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