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Old March 20th, 2017, 06:06 PM   #1
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World CO2 Emissions Stalled Last Year — Thanks to the U.S.

Just when the "War on Coal" was starting to yield some booty.
World CO2 Emissions Stalled Last Year — Thanks to the U.S.

The U.S. could be giving up on tackling climate change just as it starts to have a real impact on greenhouse gas emissions.

As the administration of President Donald Trump gets ready to scrap many of the rules introduced by Barack Obama that pushed the country towards adopting cleaner energy, the Paris-based International Energy Agency published data showing that Obama's policies – helped by market forces – had a drastic impact on U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide last year - so large, in fact, that they stopped CO2 global emissions rising.

The IEA said in a report published Friday that global CO2 emissions from the energy sector were flat for the third straight year in 2016, thanks in large measure to an 11% drop in coal demand at U.S. power stations. That's because new power stations fueled by dirt-cheap shale gas have been replacing aging coal-fired ones in recent years. For the first time ever in 2016, they generated more electricity last year than coal-fired plants.
Coal Crisis Cut U.S. CO2 Emissions So Much It Moved the Dial Globally | Fortune.com
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Just when the "War on Coal" was starting to yield some booty.
World CO2 Emissions Stalled Last Year — Thanks to the U.S.

The U.S. could be giving up on tackling climate change just as it starts to have a real impact on greenhouse gas emissions.

As the administration of President Donald Trump gets ready to scrap many of the rules introduced by Barack Obama that pushed the country towards adopting cleaner energy, the Paris-based International Energy Agency published data showing that Obama's policies – helped by market forces – had a drastic impact on U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide last year - so large, in fact, that they stopped CO2 global emissions rising.

The IEA said in a report published Friday that global CO2 emissions from the energy sector were flat for the third straight year in 2016, thanks in large measure to an 11% drop in coal demand at U.S. power stations. That's because new power stations fueled by dirt-cheap shale gas have been replacing aging coal-fired ones in recent years. For the first time ever in 2016, they generated more electricity last year than coal-fired plants.
Coal Crisis Cut U.S. CO2 Emissions So Much It Moved the Dial Globally | Fortune.com
Whatever the IEA says or doesn't say, the problem is CO2 is measured independently of the fraudulent data industries and nations provide for this kind of research! One thing that jumps off the top is that although US coal-burning has declined in favor of gas..fracked gas at that (add in those fugitive methane emissions from the process), US coal exports are up...and Mother Nature doesn't distinguish which national boundaries burn that coal and emit it into the atmosphere. It all gets added to the growing backlog that...as I posted previously, shows CO2 emissions rising almost three times faster than they were early on in measurements in 1960. 2015 and 2016 both saw a rise of 3ppm each year, making them the highest, and indicating that CO2 emissions are rising faster and faster, and whatever garbage enviro talking heads are claiming to be doing about the crisis...it sure as hell isn't enough!

Carbon Dioxide Is Rising at Record Rates
Carbon Dioxide Is Rising at Record Rates | Climate Central
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Whatever the IEA says or doesn't say, the problem is CO2 is measured independently of the fraudulent data industries and nations provide for this kind of research! One thing that jumps off the top is that although US coal-burning has declined in favor of gas..fracked gas at that (add in those fugitive methane emissions from the process), US coal exports are up...and Mother Nature doesn't distinguish which national boundaries burn that coal and emit it into the atmosphere. It all gets added to the growing backlog that...as I posted previously, shows CO2 emissions rising almost three times faster than they were early on in measurements in 1960. 2015 and 2016 both saw a rise of 3ppm each year, making them the highest, and indicating that CO2 emissions are rising faster and faster, and whatever garbage enviro talking heads are claiming to be doing about the crisis...it sure as hell isn't enough!

Carbon Dioxide Is Rising at Record Rates
Carbon Dioxide Is Rising at Record Rates | Climate Central
IF fugative methane release is as large as most ESTIMATES place them, then again, blame the lack of meaningful regulation, not the process. The gas can be captured at a reasonable cost, or at least burned so that instead of methane, CO2 is released. And CO2 isn't as potent a GHG.

Further, even these "fugitive emissions" are only for the first few days of the well's production as water is being cleaned up. I tried hard to find any quantitative data from actual studies in all the hit pieces on this subject and got nada.

Even Mx. Google didn't help me. I'll talk to a few of my buddies still working.
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This business is utter foolishness.

Thank God we have a smart person in the White House now.
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I think Most adult Americans think this is a load of crap.
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Both the above posts are wrong. Very wrong.
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This business is utter foolishness.

Thank God we have a smart person in the White House now.
I'll assume you're referring to Steve Bannon!
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IF fugative methane release is as large as most ESTIMATES place them, then again, blame the lack of meaningful regulation, not the process. The gas can be captured at a reasonable cost, or at least burned so that instead of methane, CO2 is released. And CO2 isn't as potent a GHG.

Further, even these "fugitive emissions" are only for the first few days of the well's production as water is being cleaned up. I tried hard to find any quantitative data from actual studies in all the hit pieces on this subject and got nada.

Even Mx. Google didn't help me. I'll talk to a few of my buddies still working.
Fugitive gas emissions from the wellhead and from pipelines should be easy enough to measure; the problem is this fracking process blows up shale strata-releasing all their contents. But where the gas, kerogen and other organic compounds...and possible toxic substances, all ends up, is far from certain. Certainly the people featured in the documentary - Gasland have a strong case to prove their water supplies (and likely soils also) are contaminated by fracking operations when they can light their tapwater on fire with a cigarette lighter!

But the big problem is that..even prior to the Trump Era, the EPA and other regulatory agencies were being strangled by the power of the carbon lobby and the politicians and judges they own. The difference now, is that the US has an administration in Washington loudly proclaiming their allegiance to ALL development of every kind, and open hostility to any attempts to stop toxic development poisoning land and water supplies!
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Fugitive gas emissions from the wellhead and from pipelines should be easy enough to measure; the problem is this fracking process blows up shale strata-releasing all their contents. But where the gas, kerogen and other organic compounds...and possible toxic substances, all ends up, is far from certain. Certainly the people featured in the documentary - Gasland have a strong case to prove their water supplies (and likely soils also) are contaminated by fracking operations when they can light their tapwater on fire with a cigarette lighter!

But the big problem is that..even prior to the Trump Era, the EPA and other regulatory agencies were being strangled by the power of the carbon lobby and the politicians and judges they own. The difference now, is that the US has an administration in Washington loudly proclaiming their allegiance to ALL development of every kind, and open hostility to any attempts to stop toxic development poisoning land and water supplies!
First, I have been and continue to be very vocal in my objections to any reduction of the strength or capabilities of the EPA and related agencies.

But I am also violently against junk science in all areas, including environmental things. From your post:

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... this fracking process blows up shale strata-releasing all their contents. But where the gas, kerogen and other organic compounds...and possible toxic substances, all ends up, is far from certain.
That is factually incorrect. Fracking does not blow up anything. It causes fractures. These fractures can be quite accurately predicted. The problem is again lack of regulation or lack of enforcement.

There are many reservoirs that the respective regulatory agencies in B.C., Alberta and Saskatchewan will not allow fracking to be done on a well because of the potential for the fractures to migrate to a usable aquifer.

In fact, this is rare because in deeper strata these fractures are vertical and at shallower depths they are horizontal but it will happen in rare instances where there is a deep aquifer containing potable water. Thus far I am not aware of this happening to affect any potable water source in the provinces listed above.

The other thing that people don't know is that fracking has been being done since the 1930s, this isn't a new thing. What is new is the techniques that have been developed to make the procedure economic in horizontal wells.

In fact, measuring fugative methane from wellheads would be difficult. But most instances of leaking methane, contaminated water and such have been a result of the same blunders that were the root cause of the Deepwater Horizon, an inadequate cement job sealing the annulus between the well casing (pipe into the ground) and the wellbore. Again in the western provinces you can't start the process to access the reservoir with your well till you actually measure the quality of the seal.

Then there is the flaming water. Again I say I know of one instance in western Canada, before the current regulations were issued which was due to a poor cement bond. But there have been multiple attempts to sue oil companies for that. And in each of those cases, it has been proven that the aquifer the landowner was exploiting for his water had naturally occurring methane in it.

There is one area north of Edmonton and another northeast of Calgary that are famous for that. It is after all called NATURAL gas.
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This business is utter foolishness.

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Both the above posts are wrong. Very wrong.
Not only wrong, those posts are pure trolling, just the kind of crap that's dragging down DTT.
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