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Old May 14th, 2017, 06:40 AM   #1
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Florida Sea Level Rise & Unchecked Coastal Developments

Human greed and stupidity appear to be boundless in southern Florida ... among other places.

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Florida Sea Level Rise & Unchecked Coastal Developments

The piercing emerald-green waters of the Gulf coast of Florida and the wilder expanse of shimmering waves on the Atlantic coast, especially near Miami, attract immense amounts of development on an essentially flat limestone sponge — a porous sandy terrain. Even without climate change, the tropics are a throw of the dice when hurricane season comes along. With climate change and sea level rise, coastal developments make no sense — and yet, day by day, month by month, large coastal luxury buildings shoot sky high, with almost no sidewalk to spare on one side and sand that will soon be underwater on the other.

No wall can hold back that water — it will just leak through underneath.

That water can even come up through the wastewater drainage pipes, a nice way to be flooded (wink, wink). Experts foresee all those coastal causeways will be underwater, becoming the beginning of modern-day Atlantis.

...Relative sea levels in South Florida are roughly four inches higher now than in 1992,” Bloomberg reports. “The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration predicts sea levels will rise as much as three feet in Miami by 2060. By the end of the century, according to projections by Zillow, some 934,000 existing Florida properties, worth more than $400 billion, are at risk of being submerged.”

“Nobody thinks it’s coming as fast as it is,” says Dan Kipnis, the chairman of Miami Beach’s Marine and Waterfront Protection Authority, who has been trying to find a buyer for his home in Miami Beach for almost a year, and has already lowered his asking price twice.”
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Sea levels have been basically rising since the end of the last ice age. There is no dramatic increase now.


@NPR Bungles Sea Level Rise Story
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Yup, the TV bluescreen handwaver strikes again.

Florida and the Rising Sea | Surging Seas: Sea level rise analysis by Climate Central

BBC - Future - Miami?s fight against rising seas

https://seagrant.noaa.gov/Portals/0/...0and%20SLR.pdf
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I wager that the article I linked to wasn't read by this RNG.

Well known fact is that sea levels have been rising since the end of the last ice age and that tide gauges show no unusual rise across the board. Some places a little faster, others slower. Others show declining sea level, such as Skagway.

When all a poster can do in response is mock the man who runs a website which posts articles often written by others, you know he's got religion, the MMGW religion.
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One word: Subsidence.

Sea level rise – or land subsidence? - Excessive groundwater pumping is the real culprit
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Old May 14th, 2017, 10:41 AM   #6
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I wager that the article I linked to wasn't read by this RNG.

Well known fact is that sea levels have been rising since the end of the last ice age and that tide gauges show no unusual rise across the board. Some places a little faster, others slower. Others show declining sea level, such as Skagway.

When all a poster can do in response is mock the man who runs a website which posts articles often written by others, you know he's got religion, the MMGW religion.
Oh yes, I did read it. Wattsupwiththat is often good for a laugh or two.

Did you read any of the real stuff I linked?
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Sea levels have been basically rising since the end of the last ice age. There is no dramatic increase now.


@NPR Bungles Sea Level Rise Story
First, you have to take wattsup as oil-funded climate denial propaganda..that's it! If you read anything about past records in earth history...especially how temperature increases go exponential during abrupt phase changes caused by positive feedback effects (like rapid increases in GHG's) you would be worried about present day indicators that sea level rise as started increasing at an exponential rate...like this guy: https://robertscribbler.com/2015/05/...urface-height/
Abrupt climate change, like ocean acidification, are subjects that your propaganda sources don't mention or try to dance around!

I'm hoping you own some Florida real estate then! Cause Governor Pinhead's administration there in Florida wouldn't have made it illegal for government agencies and employees to talk about climate change issues like rising sea levels, if a burning fire wasn't causing a smoke alarm.
In Florida, officials ban term 'climate change' | Miami Herald

The insanity of late-stage, deadend capitalism is that they are ramping up on the stupid to make money while they can/with no thought for what comes after tomorrow. And what comes tomorrow? Well, if it's category 5 hurricanes (like in the 90's) heading for Miami..that's it..game over..the City will be mostly unsalvageable because sea levels have already risen high enough now that storm surges from a full strength hurricane will destroy whatever east coast cities on the right side of the eye of the hurricane.

Do any Florida retirement real estate brochures ever mention it? Same goes for cheaper coastal properties in South Carolina btw. They don't have porous rock underneath near-sea level topography, but it's only a matter of time before the Carolinas and other coastal real estate and cities are gone!
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In some places that's true, Even in 1979, the was about 12 ft. below lake level because of the oil extraction. Mexico city is dropping because of the draining of a huge aquifer below it that they use(d?) for a fresh water supply.

And guess what - some areas are in fact being moved higher. The tectonic forces that created the Rocky Mountains and the Himalayas are still at work and they are growing. Other areas too.

But some years ago men built really strong things that can send a sort of meter type thing so high that they go round and round the earth and almost never fall back down. And these meter type things can use something called lasers, or microwaves or IR generators and receivers to measure distances to about ±1 cm. And Florida is not subsiding.

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It doesn't really matter how Florida is destroyed..sea level rise or overpumping groundwater...it's going under one way or another now!

What's really ludicrous about making an argument about overpumping groundwater is: who are the forces behind excessive extraction of groundwater? Doesn't matter if you're talking Florida, California, Texas or Arizona, Big Ag and big real estate developers have been fighting all the way to keep expanding their plundering of resources under unfettered capitalism, that's treated as a religion in the Republican Party and an irresistible force by the Democrats. Too bad Mother Nature doesn't make bargains with politicians and plutocrats!
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When the Northern Ice Cap melts the sea level won't rise one millimeter because it is floating. When the Ross Ice Shelf melts the sea level won't rise one millimeter for the same reason. The ice cap on Greenland is melting fast and it will raise the sea level but forget how much but it is substantial and could be twenty or thirty feet because it is on land. When the Southern Ice Cap melts the sea level will rise perhaps 200 feet or a little more. Gloom and doom on the horizon.
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