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Old May 15th, 2017, 10:35 AM   #21
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Yep, record harvests do not suit the religionists of the MMGW cult. Let's get that CO2 down to levels that result in massive crop reductions so a few billion people can starve.
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Old May 15th, 2017, 11:15 AM   #22
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Yep, record harvests do not suit the religionists of the MMGW cult. Let's get that CO2 down to levels that result in massive crop reductions so a few billion people can starve.
This is where that post belonged.

I ask if you are referring to the record crops in California during the drought.

Yes, there have been droughts before, but not that bad. And look at the levels of Lake Mead.

Oh, you can't any more, the website has been changed so the data is only available on a short time frame now.

Record floods and record droughts are becoming more common. But you chose not to believe hard data.
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Pascal's wager: An argument to believe in God. Basically it says you should believe in God because if God is real and you believe the reward is enormous (eternal life in paradise) while if you believe and God is not real the downside is negligible (you die and that's it)

It is a poor argument for belief in a god.

Applied to man made global warming I assume it goes something like, "You should believe in man made global warming. If it's true and enough people believe we have a chance to minimize or reduce the harmful effects. If it's true and we don't believe it could lead to environmental collapse and the end of civilization as we know it.
Pascal went a little further. He also considered the possibility that if you did NOT believe and God was real, you're seriously fucked, hell and all that. Basically he said there was a 50/50 chance that God did or didn't exist and there were three possible outcomes.

You believe and God does exist, you go to heaven.
You don't believe and God exists, you go to hell.
God doesn't exist, no matter what you believe, nothing happens. You just die.

Pascal joined a monastery.
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Everything seems quite nice. What is the problem? Too many good harvests?
Are you serious???
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Another one upset about record harvests.
What are you talking about?
Record harvests of specifically what and specifically where?
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The fake climatologist models have been totally disproven....
...and those particular allegedly "totally disproven" climate models happen to be...?

(Providing the research group info or pointing out the study lead author and publish date details would suffice.)

...and the methodology or methodologies that was or were utilized to determine that those particular models were allegedly "totally disproven" was or were...?

(So how exactly does one supposedly "totally disprove" a climate model when, typically, multiple simulations are run which are combined to produce a range of estimates?)

...and a more accurate means of estimating Earth's long term climate response-such as for Earth's average surface temperature-to increasing amounts of greenhouse gases in Earth's atmosphere is....?

(The act of allegedly "totally disproving" climate models doesn't provide the means of understanding what that response would be, it appears.)

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Yep, record harvests do not suit the religionists of the MMGW cult. Let's get that CO2 down to levels that result in massive crop reductions so a few billion people can starve.
And the...ummm...model, and its methodology, that was utilized that allegedly determined that massive crop reductions and a few billion people would starve if the CO2 concentration in the Earth's atmosphere were to drop to some undisclosed level is...?

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I'm not convinced of global warming, nor am I convinced about humans role in the process. HOWEVER 7 billion people, millions of factories, and a billion cars and trucks roaming the planet, farming on massive scales, HAVE to be having a negative effect on the planet.

I take a Pascal's wager approach to it. Let's not get carried away, but investing in renewable energy and reducing our foot prints on the planet certainly can't hurt. The worst we'll do is leave the planet a little cleaner for our descendants. Who knows we may even be able to undo some of the damage.
That's good except that we've been taking the Pascal's Wager approach to climate change ever since Al Gore needed a 2nd career, and it's turning into too little/too late! The promoters of renewable energies are mostly business lobbies outside of the traditional oil&gas business, who have new products to sell us!
The full carbon-cost cycle for building new windmills and solar panels (incl resource extraction costs) need to be added to the calculations...as does Jevon's Paradox, which seems to kick in every other time capitalism creates pollution-limiting devices..like catalytic converters.

The 7+billion people on this planet..requiring evermore land and natural resources to maintain the status quo need to start taking a full comprehensive look at what nature can actually provide sustainably for us, and how we can live within nature's budgets. And off the top, I say economic systems depending on constant expansion of new debt and new currency fueling constant economic growth for it's own sake, are completely off the table or the whole thing goes over the cliff within our lifetimes!
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