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Old June 5th, 2017, 08:28 PM   #91
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China is making cheap solar panels. So what? It has nothing to do with China installing solar panels. Suckers in the USA and Germany are buying them.
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China is the world's largest market for both photovoltaics and solar thermal energy. Since 2013 China has been the world's leading installer of solar photovoltaics. Solar PV in China is a growing industry with over 400 companies. In 2015, China became the world's largest producer of photovoltaic power, narrowly surpassing Germany. By the end of 2016, total PV capacity had increased to over 77.4 GW. Solar water heating is also extensively implemented, with a total installed capacity of 290 GWth at the end of 2014, representing about 70% of world's total installed solar thermal capacity


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Re-read my second sentence.
If they are so credible and convincing why do you hesitate posting them?

My question remains as does your avoidance.


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If they are so credible and convincing why do you hesitate posting them?

My question remains as does your avoidance.
Your question has been answered.
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Your question has been answered.
Sorry daws, but it has not. I even went through the thread again and not once. I'm not going to or should I have to click on a random link. c/p the relevant information like everyone else or better yet try and use your big boy words to type out a response.

Nobody has, you are not alone here it is the billion dollar elephant in the room so don't feel bad. You guys have been duped.
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Sorry daws, but it has not. I even went through the thread again and not once. I'm not going to or should I have to click on a random link. c/p the relevant information like everyone else or better yet try and use your big boy words to type out a response.

Nobody has, you are not alone here it is the billion dollar elephant in the room so don't feel bad. You guys have been duped.
" IF you had read the article, you would have seen that the projects are wide ranging such as improving vital water supplies in areas seeing impacts from changes in climate."

Please save the drama for someone else. If you care to understand, begin here: What Is the Green Climate Fund and How Much Does the U.S. Actually Pay?

A short article but worth a read.
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" IF you had read the article, you would have seen that the projects are wide ranging such as improving vital water supplies in areas seeing impacts from changes in climate."

Please save the drama for someone else. If you care to understand, begin here: What Is the Green Climate Fund and How Much Does the U.S. Actually Pay?

A short article but worth a read.
I have been following this thing for some time those answers are very vague and unconvincing. As is every single one that I have read. This is also why I added into my question "what is/are the goals/end results" I expected a bureaucratic nonresponse as to where the money would actually go but maybe there would be a tangible goal. I see there is not. This is exactly why so many people are against this thing. It does not appear to be real, just wealth redistribution.

Here let's give this bureaucracy a bunch of money that is not earmarked for anything specific so they can pass it around to a bunch of smaller bureaucracies so they can also use it for unspecified things and some how this will make climate change better. How? Well government that's how. Malarkey.

Nobody has answered these questions. This is why it is so funny how all of these mayors and governors are "signing on" to participate on their own w/o the federal government. What exactly are they going to do? Pool the billions of dollars from their slush funds and send China a check?

So save the drama? The fuck?

What is that saying about backgammon and ducks?
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Wrong, as always. ...

Capacity does not equal output. But nice taking the bait from the Chinese. The EU has done similar, what they claim as capacity and what production they get are two entirely different matters.
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I have been following this thing for some time those answers are very vague and unconvincing. As is every single one that I have read. This is also why I added into my question "what is/are the goals/end results" I expected a bureaucratic nonresponse as to where the money would actually go but maybe there would be a tangible goal. I see there is not. This is exactly why so many people are against this thing. It does not appear to be real, just wealth redistribution.

Here let's give this bureaucracy a bunch of money that is not earmarked for anything specific so they can pass it around to a bunch of smaller bureaucracies so they can also use it for unspecified things and some how this will make climate change better. How? Well government that's how. Malarkey.

Nobody has answered these questions. This is why it is so funny how all of these mayors and governors are "signing on" to participate on their own w/o the federal government. What exactly are they going to do? Pool the billions of dollars from their slush funds and send China a check?

So save the drama? The fuck?

What is that saying about backgammon and ducks?
I don't know, but yes, save the drama. You raise some valid questions, but they are leading questions and since government is involved your opinion will be negative. I think the whole endeavor is symbolic as are the signings on by mayors and governors anyway, but at this point even a symbolic gesture seems to me to be better than no gesture at all.
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Capacity does not equal output. But nice taking the bait from the Chinese. The EU has done similar, what they claim as capacity and what production they get are two entirely different matters.
Your rebuttal is invalid. No one was discussing the points you raise. Installed capacity and investment are the topics, as well as industrial output of PVs and wind turbines.

China leads the world in installation of PVs and wind turbines and in industrial output of PVs and wind turbines.
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While the US's reduction in CO2 emissions in recent years helps, the observation that some CO2 molecules from those emissions can apparently linger in the atmosphere for centuries overshadows those reduced emissions.



And, of course, each and every one of those lingering molecules acts as a greenhouse gas.

And the US is quite clearly responsible for a significant portion of those lingering molecules, apparently more responsible, indeed, than any other country on Earth.

However, you can make whatever claims you like.

But these observations remain, regardless of said claims.

(Edit: I would add that, technically speaking, individual molecules of CO2 do leave Earth's atmosphere fairly quickly. However, when that occurs they are typically replaced in the process with other CO2 molecules which then became "lingering molecules.")
Doesn't change the fact that historical CO2 emissions per capita is a worse than useless metric.

It is worse than useless because it can used to make mis-leading statements that can lead to bad decisions.
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