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Old June 5th, 2017, 08:27 AM   #81
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Where are the other potentially major green house gas emitters ?? Like China, India and Russia??....What Sweden Luxembourg and Norway produce does not mean squat....and if their people want to pay into the fund that is their business..
Putin is even more driven by fear and greed than Trump. Putin agrees with you. He denies human activities are driving the current and ongoing changes in climate. Given that the health of Russia's economy depends almost entirely on oil revenues, that's no wonder.

India and China are investing heavily in alternative energy production, dwarfing US investment btw.
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Putin is even more driven by fear and greed than Trump. Putin agrees with you. He denies human activities are driving the current and ongoing changes in climate. Given that the health of Russia's economy depends almost entirely on oil revenues, that's no wonder.

India and China are investing heavily in alternative energy production, dwarfing US investment btw.
We have plenty of generation in the USA, there is no reason to be spending on additional capacity that we don't need.

China and India are developing countries, they need new generation capacity and some of that will be alternative technologies, but the bulk will be fossil fuels. China said it will increase fossil fuel use year over year for a couple more decades.

See how that works?
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Putin is even more driven by fear and greed than Trump. Putin agrees with you. He denies hUSA and Germanyn activities are driving the current and ongoing changes in climate. Given that the health of Russia's economy depends almost entirely on oil revenues, that's no wonder.

India and China are investing heavily in alternative energy production, dwarfing US investment btw.
China is making cheap solar panels. So what? It has nothing to do with China installing solar panels. Suckers in the USA and Germany are buying them.
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First off, the US contribution had been pegged at $3 billion. IF you had read the article, you would have seen that the projects are wide ranging such as improving vital water supplies in areas seeing impacts from changes in climate.

I don't expect you or others like you filled with fears and greed which are fed by your king to ever understand the principle that a rising tide lifts all boats. You don't see it in our country and your don't see it in the world, but that's the principle driving the Paris accords.

But you won't accept that either. You said, correctly, that Russia, China, and India aren't contributing to the development fund, and you ask why should we contribute to it?

Here's the reason: Because we are a much better nation that any of those three. We are, or have been, a world leader, and often the first nation to offer others a helping hand. But now, under your king, we've been demoted to a selfish nation driven by fear and greed, and millions, tens of millions of people like you approve of this message.

Hopefully, we will survive this....

Lip service.


That's a lot of words to not answer the question.

This is your MO.

Run and hid or an emotional argument. Both are represented here.

What are those billions for?

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Old June 5th, 2017, 10:17 AM   #85
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Putin is even more driven by fear and greed than Trump. Putin agrees with you. He denies human activities are driving the current and ongoing changes in climate. Given that the health of Russia's economy depends almost entirely on oil revenues, that's no wonder.

India and China are investing heavily in alternative energy production, dwarfing US investment btw.
Well shucks, knew it all along.

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If it is important to hide the fact that emissions from the USA have been significantly reduced year over year for the past 6 years setting an all time global record reduction in 2016 instead of looking at the current situation and where the future is headed, then your chart is important. Otherwise it is misleading and insignificant data used for a non-productive and destructive anti-USA and anti-Trump rant.
While the US's reduction in CO2 emissions in recent years helps, the observation that some CO2 molecules from those emissions can apparently linger in the atmosphere for centuries overshadows those reduced emissions.



And, of course, each and every one of those lingering molecules acts as a greenhouse gas.

And the US is quite clearly responsible for a significant portion of those lingering molecules, apparently more responsible, indeed, than any other country on Earth.

However, you can make whatever claims you like.

But these observations remain, regardless of said claims.

(Edit: I would add that, technically speaking, individual molecules of CO2 do leave Earth's atmosphere fairly quickly. However, when that occurs they are typically replaced in the process with other CO2 molecules which then became "lingering molecules.")
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Old June 5th, 2017, 02:31 PM   #87
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It was about the survival of humanity, actually. Since you so detest the species, you weirdoes will continue to lead the world down the shitter. Congratulations, Ug!
If that be true, then the rest of the world needs to catch up to us.
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John Oliver, on the Paris Pullout:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scez5dqtAc

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While the US's reduction in CO2 emissions in recent years helps, the observation that some CO2 molecules from those emissions can apparently linger in the atmosphere for centuries overshadows those reduced emissions.



And, of course, each and every one of those lingering molecules acts as a greenhouse gas.

And the US is quite clearly responsible for a significant portion of those lingering molecules, apparently more responsible, indeed, than any other country on Earth.

However, you can make whatever claims you like.

But these observations remain, regardless of said claims.

(Edit: I would add that, technically speaking, individual molecules of CO2 do leave Earth's atmosphere fairly quickly. However, when that occurs they are typically replaced in the process with other CO2 molecules which then became "lingering molecules.")
Over the time scale of that graph, how much of the reduction seen in recent years due to the toxic asset recession? That about follows an electricity consumption graph.
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Lip service.


That's a lot of words to not answer the question.

This is your MO.

Run and hid or an emotional argument. Both are represented here.

What are those billions for?
Re-read my second sentence.
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