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Old July 9th, 2017, 03:11 AM   #21
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We are going to get off petro and carbon based fuels. But its not going to be trillions of government money being pissed away that causes it. It will be supply and demand. The reason oil is so low now is because the demand is lower. As new technologies emerge it will lower the demand even further. The government pissing away trillions has nothing at all to do with that. Its all about competition in a pseudo free market. You burn coal to make electricity. I make electricity with a wind turbine. I can bring my product to market cheaper than you can.
...and that alleged "trillions of government money being pissed away," implying no economic return on that alleged "trillions of government money," originates from which research?

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Any chance this is a move for Trump to ponder?

It's too bad what should be a science topic has become a political football.

I guess Macron is on the blue team.



France set to ban sale of petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040 - BBC News
Disturbing and I better sell my BP stock before 2040.
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Old July 9th, 2017, 06:32 AM   #23
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...and that alleged "trillions of government money being pissed away," implying no economic return on that alleged "trillions of government money," originates from which research?

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The renewable energy industry has a long, long way to go to match the government subsidies over the decades that the oil, gas and coal industries have received. Right wingers are naive about their free market dreams and grossly uninformed as well.
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Tesla had a higher stock value than GM. Even though GM had record profits and Tesla was losing or just breaking even. The amount of government subsidies given to Tesla was the reason why. Free enterprise is just an illusion
GM? The company that Obama Saved, along with it's thousands of jobs, that you were calling government motors?

So now you're taking up for them?

That's an amazing turn around.
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Old July 9th, 2017, 06:52 AM   #25
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GM? The company that Obama Saved, along with it's thousands of jobs, that you were calling government motors?

So now you're taking up for them?

That's an amazing turn around.
Their disingenuousness tie them into conflicting knots all the time.......LOL
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ignoring the overwhelming evidence of global warming and continuing to pump greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere i cannot think of anything more ridiculous.

actually you are right, the muslim thing is more ridiculous.
Carbon dioxide is just air. Don't be afraid. You are going to be just fine.
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Old July 9th, 2017, 11:14 AM   #27
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GM? The company that Obama Saved, along with it's thousands of jobs, that you were calling government motors?

So now you're taking up for them?

That's an amazing turn around.
Can you quote anything specific from me on that?
Wait you cant?
Your just a bitter white guy arent you
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...and that alleged "trillions of government money being pissed away," implying no economic return on that alleged "trillions of government money," originates from which research?

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Lets start with an easy one
Solyndra.
Ok, lets move up another notch
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“As of November 2014, DOE estimates the credit subsidy cost of the loans and loan guarantees in its portfolio — that is, the total expected net cost over the life of the loans — to be $2.21 billion, including $807 million for loans that have defaulted,” the GAO said in its report to Congress
Obama-backed green energy failures leave taxpayers with $2.2 billion tab, audit finds - Washington Times
List: 36 Of Obama?s Taxpayer-Funded Green Energy Failures - Fox Nation

Ya got me though. Its Billions so far not trillions. Oh, well its just someone else money right
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GM? The company that Obama Saved, along with it's thousands of jobs, that you were calling government motors?

So now you're taking up for them?

That's an amazing turn around.
What now? The RW are no longer referring to GM as "Government Motors" and whining about the "government takeover" as a ploy to "save the UAW", you know "payback for their political support?

Man, keeping up with these kids and their faddish political positions is a pain in the ass.
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What now? The RW are no longer referring to GM as "Government Motors" and whining about the "government takeover" as a ploy to "save the UAW", you know "payback for their political support?

Man, keeping up with these kids and their faddish political positions is a pain in the ass.
It's actually not a political position.

It's a diminished capacity.

But lets stay on topic here.

France, as well as the rest of the world, are moving towards alternative energy, and away from fossil fuels.

This isn't an argument, or a debate. It's a fact.

Electric vehicles will be a major part of that change, as well as the battery technology, that will power them, is also evolving to become energy sources for homes and businesses.

And what the value of any currency, or the emotional and intellectual capacity of any naysayer are, is irrelevant.

It's very overwhelming for some to handle. You have to break it to them gently.
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