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Old August 24th, 2017, 06:48 PM   #31
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Very good post; however, I think the real issue for debate is whether global warming is the direct result of human activity, or just a natural cycle the earth is going through.

I think it might be a bit of both.
I'm sure excessive carbon emissions is a root cause, along with deforestation.
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The average temperature in January has risen by 5 degrees over the last decade, and 7 of the last 15 rainfall disasters since the 1850s have happened since 2000. No one can convince me that global climate change is a hoax.

Regarding science, I see 1) a fundamental difference between predicting the path of consistent measurable celestial phenonena, and the patchwork of guessing, speculation, and predetermined outcome that accompanies the "science" of human origins, which includes a lot of words such as "we think" and "might indicate". No one had to speculate as to the time and place of the 2017 eclipse. That was real science.

As for me, the exact mathematical precision that an eclipse follows is another clear indication of intelligent design.

The temperature of what has increased by 5 degrees in the last 10 years? The temperature of beer in Syria?

How many rainfall disasters did we we have in mid Southern China in the 1850's how about in the Congo or Amazon?
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I'm sure excessive carbon emissions is a root cause, along with deforestation.
Has that been demonstrated by basic calculus and physics as the movements of the planets have for hundreds of years?
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Very good post; however, I think the real issue for debate is whether global warming is the direct result of human activity, or just a natural cycle the earth is going through.

I think it might be a bit of both.
The Maunder Minimum is a 400 year sunspot cycle and the last ended in 1715. The local news reported that this August is unusually cool and there were no sunspots on the sun, even a wee bit tiny sunspot. I wonder what the Kitt Peak Solar Observatory has to say about the Maunder Minimum, sunspots and little ice ages.
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Very good post; however, I think the real issue for debate is whether global warming is the direct result of human activity, or just a natural cycle the earth is going through.

I think it might be a bit of both.
In 1900 there were only 1.6 Billion people on the planet and the world was mostly an agrarian economy. The industrial revolution was just starting.

Today we have more then 7 Billion people on the planet. We have nearly 1 billions cars and trucks roaming the planet. We have millions of factories around the world as well as the power plants needed to run them. Our houses are bigger, our cars are bigger, the distance we drive to get to work have gotten longer. Every industrial nation is following the same course.

I'm not convinced that ALL warming is due to human activity, but we HAVE to be making an impact on the environment. We've got a pile of garbage the size of Texas floating around the Pacific ocean. Parts of China are so polluted that workers put on enviro suits and ride a bus for nearly 2 hours to arrive at work because nothing, not trees, not grass, not even bugs can live in the area. There is simply no way that humans aren't having a very negative effect on the planet.

Oddly enough, one of the most profound statements ever, was from a sci-fi movie. In the original Matrix movie the alien was talking about how a virus will invade it's host and ultimately will kill the host even though doing so means it's own destruction.

Then he says that on the planet earth, HUMANS are the virus !!!

We MUST start now trying to figure out how to minimize our impact on the planet. Otherwise in the not terribly distant future the planet won't be able to sustain us.
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In 1900 there were only 1.6 Billion people on the planet and the world was mostly an agrarian economy. The industrial revolution was just starting.

Today we have more then 7 Billion people on the planet. We have nearly 1 billions cars and trucks roaming the planet. We have millions of factories around the world as well as the power plants needed to run them. Our houses are bigger, our cars are bigger, the distance we drive to get to work have gotten longer. Every industrial nation is following the same course.

I'm not convinced that ALL warming is due to human activity, but we HAVE to be making an impact on the environment. We've got a pile of garbage the size of Texas floating around the Pacific ocean. Parts of China are so polluted that workers put on enviro suits and ride a bus for nearly 2 hours to arrive at work because nothing, not trees, not grass, not even bugs can live in the area. There is simply no way that humans aren't having a very negative effect on the planet.

Oddly enough, one of the most profound statements ever, was from a sci-fi movie. In the original Matrix movie the alien was talking about how a virus will invade it's host and ultimately will kill the host even though doing so means it's own destruction.

Then he says that on the planet earth, HUMANS are the virus !!!

We MUST start now trying to figure out how to minimize our impact on the planet. Otherwise in the not terribly distant future the planet won't be able to sustain us.


It is HUMANS who burn carbon-based materials--carbon dioxide (CO2) is emitted. It is humans who burn fossil fuels. It is humans who use transportation, building heating and cooling, and manufacuring. It is humans who level our forests. It is humans who use methane related to agriculture, natural gas and landfills. It is humans who use aerosols containing sulfur compounds, organic compounds and black carbon. Humans are surface mining. Humans use radioactive materials.

It is human activities since the industrial era have altered the nature of land cover over the globe, principally through changes in croplands, pastures and forests. We have also modified the properties of ice and snow. It is likely that more solar radiation is now being reflected from Earth’s surface as a result of human activities.
Aircraft produce persistent linear trails of condensation in regions that have suitably low temperatures and high humidity.
In other words, we humans have changed the planet dramatically. Wake up, people.
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It is HUMANS who burn carbon-based materials--carbon dioxide (CO2) is emitted. It is humans who burn fossil fuels. It is humans who use transportation, building heating and cooling, and manufacuring. It is humans who level our forests. It is humans who use methane related to agriculture, natural gas and landfills. It is humans who use aerosols containing sulfur compounds, organic compounds and black carbon. Humans are surface mining. Humans use radioactive materials.

It is human activities since the industrial era have altered the nature of land cover over the globe, principally through changes in croplands, pastures and forests. We have also modified the properties of ice and snow. It is likely that more solar radiation is now being reflected from Earth’s surface as a result of human activities.
Aircraft produce persistent linear trails of condensation in regions that have suitably low temperatures and high humidity.
In other words, we humans have changed the planet dramatically. Wake up, people.
Easy fix...kill all the humans.
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In 1900 there were only 1.6 Billion people on the planet and the world was mostly an agrarian economy. The industrial revolution was just starting.

Today we have more then 7 Billion people on the planet. We have nearly 1 billions cars and trucks roaming the planet. We have millions of factories around the world as well as the power plants needed to run them. Our houses are bigger, our cars are bigger, the distance we drive to get to work have gotten longer. Every industrial nation is following the same course.

I'm not convinced that ALL warming is due to human activity, but we HAVE to be making an impact on the environment. We've got a pile of garbage the size of Texas floating around the Pacific ocean. Parts of China are so polluted that workers put on enviro suits and ride a bus for nearly 2 hours to arrive at work because nothing, not trees, not grass, not even bugs can live in the area. There is simply no way that humans aren't having a very negative effect on the planet.

Oddly enough, one of the most profound statements ever, was from a sci-fi movie. In the original Matrix movie the alien was talking about how a virus will invade it's host and ultimately will kill the host even though doing so means it's own destruction.

Then he says that on the planet earth, HUMANS are the virus !!!

We MUST start now trying to figure out how to minimize our impact on the planet. Otherwise in the not terribly distant future the planet won't be able to sustain us.
So we need a procreation tax, not a carbon tax?
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Old August 25th, 2017, 01:26 PM   #39
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So we need a procreation tax, not a carbon tax?

Works for me !!!

Years ago, I heard that a company had developed a virus that if released as an airborn agent would effectively render every male on the planet sterile. They proposed releasing it world wide.

The beauty of this virus is it is easily cured with a round of antibiotics. Anyone that WANTED to have a child would simply visit their Dr, take their meds for a few days along with some vitamins and they would once again be fertile. Once you stop taking the meds you become infertile again. NO accidental babies !! No need for abortion. A greatly reduced population growth. Less strain on the planets resources.

I thought it was brilliant.
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Works for me !!!
Me to, but we have the opposite today, the tree huggers or pushing the opposite.
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