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Old September 10th, 2017, 06:32 PM   #11
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Old September 10th, 2017, 07:53 PM   #12
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LOL

No Category 4 or 5 made landfall in CONUS for 12 years.

Harvey was stalled, no upper level winds to move it along. That is why it was such a rainmaker.

Boo!
So you really are stupid enough, clueless enough, and jingoistic enough that you actually imagine that if no hurricanes make landfall on the continental United States, then there are no hurricanes anywhere? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. So pathetic!

In the real world....

21 hurricanes and typhoons that shattered records in 2015
OCT 22, 2015
UPDATED 2:45 p.m. ET: Since this story was posted, yet another storm — Hurricane Patricia — in the eastern Pacific intensified to Category 4 status, making it 22 Category 4 and 5 storms that have formed so far this year.

Specifically, there have now been 21 typhoons and hurricanes in the hemisphere — all but one of which occurred in the Pacific Ocean — that have reached the most intense levels of the Saffir Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale, Category 4 and 5. This beat the past record of 18, set in 2004.


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In a Warming World, Storms May Be Fewer but Storms Are Getting Stronger -NASA Earth Observatory

A few short excerpts....(public information from a government agency - free to reproduce)

Storms feed off of latent heat, which is why scientists think global warming is strengthening storms. Extra heat in the atmosphere or ocean nourishes storms; the more heat energy that goes in, the more vigorously a weather system can churn.

A study based on more than two decades of satellite altimeter data (measuring sea surface height) showed that hurricanes intensify significantly faster now than they did 25 years ago. Specifically, researchers found that storms attain Category 3 wind speeds nearly nine hours faster than they did in the 1980s. Another satellite-based study found that global wind speeds had increased by an average of 5 percent over the past two decades.

There is also evidence that extra water vapor in the atmosphere is making storms wetter. During the past 25 years, satellites have measured a 4 percent rise in water vapor in the air column. In ground-based records, about 76 percent of weather stations in the United States have seen increases in extreme precipitation since 1948. One analysis found that extreme downpours are happening 30 percent more often. Another study found that the largest storms now produce 10 percent more precipitation.

A 2012 paper by NASA scientist, Dr. William Lau, found that rainfall totals from tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic have risen at a rate of 24 percent per decade since 1988. The increase in precipitation doesn’t just apply to rain. NOAA scientists have examined 120 years of data and found that there were twice as many extreme regional snowstorms between 1961 and 2010 as there were from 1900 to 1960.

Dr. Kerry Emanuel, a hurricane expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, developed a method to measure the total energy expended by tropical cyclones over their lifetimes. In 2005, he showed that Atlantic hurricanes are about 60 percent more powerful than they were in the 1970s. Storms lasted longer and their top wind speeds had increased by 25 percent.
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Old September 10th, 2017, 08:34 PM   #13
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So you really are stupid enough, clueless enough, and jingoistic enough that you actually imagine that if no hurricanes make landfall on the continental United States, then there are no hurricanes anywhere? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. So pathetic!

In the real world....

21 hurricanes and typhoons that shattered records in 2015
OCT 22, 2015
UPDATED 2:45 p.m. ET: Since this story was posted, yet another storm — Hurricane Patricia — in the eastern Pacific intensified to Category 4 status, making it 22 Category 4 and 5 storms that have formed so far this year.

Specifically, there have now been 21 typhoons and hurricanes in the hemisphere — all but one of which occurred in the Pacific Ocean — that have reached the most intense levels of the Saffir Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale, Category 4 and 5. This beat the past record of 18, set in 2004.


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In a Warming World, Storms May Be Fewer but Storms Are Getting Stronger -NASA Earth Observatory

A few short excerpts....(public information from a government agency - free to reproduce)

Storms feed off of latent heat, which is why scientists think global warming is strengthening storms. Extra heat in the atmosphere or ocean nourishes storms; the more heat energy that goes in, the more vigorously a weather system can churn.

A study based on more than two decades of satellite altimeter data (measuring sea surface height) showed that hurricanes intensify significantly faster now than they did 25 years ago. Specifically, researchers found that storms attain Category 3 wind speeds nearly nine hours faster than they did in the 1980s. Another satellite-based study found that global wind speeds had increased by an average of 5 percent over the past two decades.

There is also evidence that extra water vapor in the atmosphere is making storms wetter. During the past 25 years, satellites have measured a 4 percent rise in water vapor in the air column. In ground-based records, about 76 percent of weather stations in the United States have seen increases in extreme precipitation since 1948. One analysis found that extreme downpours are happening 30 percent more often. Another study found that the largest storms now produce 10 percent more precipitation.

A 2012 paper by NASA scientist, Dr. William Lau, found that rainfall totals from tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic have risen at a rate of 24 percent per decade since 1988. The increase in precipitation doesn’t just apply to rain. NOAA scientists have examined 120 years of data and found that there were twice as many extreme regional snowstorms between 1961 and 2010 as there were from 1900 to 1960.

Dr. Kerry Emanuel, a hurricane expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, developed a method to measure the total energy expended by tropical cyclones over their lifetimes. In 2005, he showed that Atlantic hurricanes are about 60 percent more powerful than they were in the 1970s. Storms lasted longer and their top wind speeds had increased by 25 percent.
Ha! So your link makes the point that there was only one Hurricane in the north Atlantic in 2015. Thank you for the linked article.
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Ha! So your link makes the point that there was only one Hurricane in the north Atlantic in 2015. Thank you for the linked article.
You're welcome. Too bad you are so pathetically incapable of understanding it.

In 2015 there were 22 tropical storms of category 4 or 5 strength. And you moronically imagine that the fact that only one of those typhoons and hurricanes happened in the Atlantic somehow disproves the point of the OP that storms are getting stronger due to human caused global warming? LOLOLOLOL. You are such an imbecile!
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Really how long as the climate been changing, Few Billion years.

if the climate DID NOT change life on earth would end.

all the waters would be in the ocean. no replenishing of fresh water tables.
Meaningless twaddle.

Why don't you claim that since forest fires were started naturally, by lightning strikes, etc., for hundreds of millions of years, then it must be impossible for humans to have ever started any? That would make as little sense as your BS talk about how climate has always been changing, as if that means that humans couldn't possibly be causing the current observed abrupt and very rapid climate changes, you poor deluded denier cult bozo.
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Meaningless twaddle.

Why don't you claim that since forest fires were started naturally, by lightning strikes, etc., for hundreds of millions of years, then it must be impossible for humans to have ever started any? That would make as little sense as your BS talk about how climate has always been changing, as if that means that humans couldn't possibly be causing the current observed abrupt and very rapid climate changes, you poor deluded denier cult bozo.

why are forest fires so bad, WE HAVE NOT LET THE FOREST BURN NATURALLY

That is why we have learned we need CONTROLLED burns to get rid of the fuel for the fires in the forest floor.

No humans started forest fires.. But then again. Starting a Fire is a hell of a lot different than STARTING A HURRICANE.

You do understand that the green house gasses you blame, HUMANS are only responsiblie for ~2.5%.. 97% of all Green House gasses are NATURAL.

oops.
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No humans started forest fires.
That's some pretty stark insanity! Not surprising, coming from you.

Of course humans have started forest fires.




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You do understand that the green house gasses you blame, HUMANS are only responsiblie for ~2.5%.. 97% of all Green House gasses are NATURAL.
More of your ignorant clueless fraudulent bullshit, I'm afraid.

Human activities have, in the real world, increased atmospheric carbon dioxide levels from about 280ppm in pre-industrial times to a current level of 410ppm, which is an over 46% increase.

A difference of only 80ppm to a 100ppm is enough to move the Earth's climate from the peak of an ice age to the peak of an interglacial period, like the one the Earth has been in for the last ten thousand years. Now human activities have created a 130ppm increase (and still rising fast), taking atmospheric CO2 to a level not seen on Earth for somewhere between 15 and 20 million years. The human race did not exist at that point in time. The world's oceans and seas were up to 100 feet higher than they are today, and the global average surface temperature was up to 11°F warmer than it is now. The Earth was a very different place and portions of it were too hot for human life to survive. You denier cult wackos are ignorant fools, idiotically bent on destroying our civilization and our only world and killing billions of people.

Last Time Carbon Dioxide Levels Were This High: 15 Million Years Ago, Scientists Report
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Why did you leave out FEWER

we have had a 4,300+ day major hurricane drought.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...cord-4323-days
Because the "number of hurricanes" is a different number than the "number of hurricanes that hit the US"

Since the 1970s the average number of hurricanes per year has increased. (The 2010s being the exception, but the decade isn't over yet)

70s 4.9
80s 5.2
90s 6.4
00s 7.4
10s 6.9

The increase in the average number of hurricanes shows climate change. The lack of a hurricane hitting the US shows luck.

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Really how long as the climate been changing, Few Billion years.

if the climate DID NOT change life on earth would end.

all the waters would be in the ocean. no replenishing of fresh water tables.

That's the "water cycle" not climate change. What is happening is that the average atmospheric temperature is increasing. This allows the atmosphere to hold more moisture than before which leads to things like Harvey where we broke the record for rainfall in a single storm by a significant margin.

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4,323 days Major hurricane drought. That is climate

1 year is weather.

increase in solar activity this year. Current sunspot cycle activity, space weather, solar storm and geomagnetic conditions and radio propagation forecasts
See above. Average number of storms per year is increasing...the lack of a storm hitting the US has nothing to do with that.

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why are forest fires so bad, WE HAVE NOT LET THE FOREST BURN NATURALLY

That is why we have learned we need CONTROLLED burns to get rid of the fuel for the fires in the forest floor.

No humans started forest fires.. But then again. Starting a Fire is a hell of a lot different than STARTING A HURRICANE.

You do understand that the green house gasses you blame, HUMANS are only responsiblie for ~2.5%.. 97% of all Green House gasses are NATURAL.

oops.
I've been over this too. Yes, the amount of green house gas produced by humans is small compared to natural sources...but it's not the amount that causes the problems it is the balance.

Greenhouse gas production/removal was in a state of relative equilibrium. This means that the amount in the atmosphere stayed relatively steady. Humans have upset the balance. We are not only producing greenhouse gases (adding them to the atmosphere) but we have destroyed natures method of removing them from the atmosphere (through deforestation)

Natural Greenhouse gases + Man made greenhouse gases > Greenhouse gases being removed (which has been reduced because of human activity) leads to increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere which leads to global warming which leads to climate change.
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Arguing with conservatives is like arguing with cement.
It comes from their primitive superstitious belief system, they don't trust science, it's not in the bible, besides it starts with an "S" the same as snake.
And scientists are for the most part not white supremacists, not even a little bit, and that is very disconcerting.
And here's the clincher, 80% of scientists vote Democratic, OK, that's either proof that their politics is causing them to fake the data.
Or maybe that the data supports AGW, could that be possible?
No, it's not even mentioned in the bible....
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You're welcome. Too bad you are so pathetically incapable of understanding it.

In 2015 there were 22 tropical storms of category 4 or 5 strength. And you moronically imagine that the fact that only one of those typhoons and hurricanes happened in the Atlantic somehow disproves the point of the OP that storms are getting stronger due to human caused global warming? LOLOLOLOL. You are such an imbecile!
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