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Old September 11th, 2017, 05:13 AM   #21
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Meaningless twaddle.

Why don't you claim that since forest fires were started naturally, by lightning strikes, etc., for hundreds of millions of years, then it must be impossible for humans to have ever started any? That would make as little sense as your BS talk about how climate has always been changing, as if that means that humans couldn't possibly be causing the current observed abrupt and very rapid climate changes, you poor deluded denier cult bozo.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 06:35 AM   #22
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And? Global Warming scientists predicted super hurricanes and Irma came in like a lion cub and went out like a newborn lamb. I am not defending nor rejecting Climatologist' Theory. Everyone complains about the weather but nobody does anything about it. Abraham Lincoln
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Old September 11th, 2017, 07:26 AM   #23
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why are forest fires so bad, WE HAVE NOT LET THE FOREST BURN NATURALLY

That is why we have learned we need CONTROLLED burns to get rid of the fuel for the fires in the forest floor.

No humans started forest fires.. But then again. Starting a Fire is a hell of a lot different than STARTING A HURRICANE.

You do understand that the green house gasses you blame, HUMANS are only responsiblie for ~2.5%.. 97% of all Green House gasses are NATURAL.

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That's some pretty stark insanity! Not surprising, coming from you.

Of course humans have started forest fires.






More of your ignorant clueless fraudulent bullshit, I'm afraid.

Human activities have, in the real world, increased atmospheric carbon dioxide levels from about 280ppm in pre-industrial times to a current level of 410ppm, which is an over 46% increase.

A difference of only 80ppm to a 100ppm is enough to move the Earth's climate from the peak of an ice age to the peak of an interglacial period, like the one the Earth has been in for the last ten thousand years. Now human activities have created a 130ppm increase (and still rising fast), taking atmospheric CO2 to a level not seen on Earth for somewhere between 15 and 20 million years. The human race did not exist at that point in time. The world's oceans and seas were up to 100 feet higher than they are today, and the global average surface temperature was up to 11F warmer than it is now. The Earth was a very different place and portions of it were too hot for human life to survive. You denier cult wackos are ignorant fools, idiotically bent on destroying our civilization and our only world and killing billions of people.

Last Time Carbon Dioxide Levels Were This High: 15 Million Years Ago, Scientists Report
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October 9, 2009
You just made Tenn. argument for him. Unless of course your going to blame aliens or animal farts. In which case we best start killing animals before it gets out of control. Or, we could pass a volcano tax or something.
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You just made Tenn. argument for him. Unless of course your going to blame aliens or animal farts. In which case we best start killing animals before it gets out of control. Or, we could pass a volcano tax or something.
Let's say you have a finely balanced scale. On one side are 2,000 1lb weights and on the other side another 2,000 1lb weights.

If you add another 1lb weight to one side and take away a 1lb weight from the other side wouldn't you be the one responsible for making the scale tip?
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Old September 11th, 2017, 09:17 AM   #25
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You just made Tenn. argument for him. Unless of course your going to blame aliens or animal farts. In which case we best start killing animals before it gets out of control. Or, we could pass a volcano tax or something.
Check this out guy:

List of the most intense tropical cyclones

Every oceanic basin is covered. Take any one of the iists. In the peak winds category, click until the storms are listed from most powerful to least powerful. Now, look at the dates.

Storms from the last 25 years dominate the lists. Storms from the 21st century dominate most of the lists. Interestingly, only the North Atlantic basin and Western North Pacific basin don't follow the pattern. "Why?" is a good question.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 01:21 PM   #26
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You just made Tenn. argument for him.
Not in any way shape or form, you poor brainwashed reality-denying cultist. You are just too ignorant and dim to comprehend the information in that article.

15 to 20 million years ago there were natural causes for CO2 to stabilize at a higher level in the atmosphere for a very long period of time.

Now, present day Earth, there aren't any natural causes that could possibly be increasing CO2 levels, in just a few centuries, by over 45% or 130ppm (so far - the level is not stabilized, it is still rising fast and may double natural levels before the end of the century). Rising, BTW, above the natural CO2 levels that only varied between 200ppm and 280ppm(with a few as high as 300ppm) between the smaller ice ages and the interglacial periods within the overall Quaternary glaciation, or (AKA) Pleistocene glaciation, that the Earth has been in for the last two and a half million years.

It is a scientifically confirmed fact that human activities (primarily the burning of fossil fuels that released gigatons of previously sequestered fossil carbon/CO2 into the atmosphere) have proved to be the only real factor responsible for destabilizing the natural, homeostatically maintained, balance of atmospheric CO2.....which had previously maintained fairly stable climate patterns on Earth for a good part (where humans developed agriculture and civilization) of the last eleven thousand years, or the current interglacial period called the Holocene.
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I can't find more information at the moment and don't have time to spend on it right now. But my research seems to indicate a couple of related issues.

First, during dry spells the Saharan desert grows along it's southern border, losing quite a few miles of vegetation. In wetter years it shrinks back down and that vegetation comes back.

All of our Atlantic hurricanes are spawned by joining a couple of prevailing winds coming across Africa. One coming from the south, not as hot but moisture laden. One coming straight across the northern part and specifically across the Sahara very hot but dry.

My first thought was in wetter years the temps would be lower and maybe that's when we got the fewer/smaller storms. But wetter would also mean more humidity in the region.

One article I found mentioned that in the dry years, the dust kicked up by the winds actually reduces the relative humidity and effectively sucks up the moisture available to feed hurricanes. The wind velocity also tends to rip the tops off the storms.

IF this is true I'd like to see a comparison between how active a season we have, and more importantly the size of the storms, compared to the wet or dry years of the Sarah in any given year. If in the wetter years we get more and larger storms compared to drier years ??
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Climate change is evidenced by more than just hurricanes that hit land. There a hurricanes that don't hit land. There are droughts and long periods of extreme temperatures that are zapping fresh water sources and fueling record setting fires all over the globe. There is the melting permafrost in Alaska. The list goes on and on for those that choose not to make the science a political shitfest.
And water is getting wetter!
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Old September 11th, 2017, 03:08 PM   #29
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And water is getting wetter!
And you seem to be getting to be even more of a clueless cretin. Which I didn't think was even possible.

BTW, snarky denial of reality and observed facts is still just demented deranged denial of reality.

Meanwhile, in the real world....

Strongest Storms Grow Stronger Yet, Study Says
The New York Times
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Old September 11th, 2017, 05:59 PM   #30
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Check this out guy:

List of the most intense tropical cyclones

Every oceanic basin is covered. Take any one of the iists. In the peak winds category, click until the storms are listed from most powerful to least powerful. Now, look at the dates.

Storms from the last 25 years dominate the lists. Storms from the 21st century dominate most of the lists. Interestingly, only the North Atlantic basin and Western North Pacific basin don't follow the pattern. "Why?" is a good question.
Lets at least be honest about the statement "most powerful" and other rankings. Honestly we have no fucking clue about hurricane strength from 1200 to ummmm 1875 as example.
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