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Old September 12th, 2017, 04:09 AM   #51
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The climate change deniers love to claim the scientific community backs the idea of human activity as the cause of global warming because that's where "the money is"

This idea is laughable given the current political situation. The Republicans currently control both houses of Congress and the Presidency. If those who are studying climate change were only in it for the government grants then you would expect a change in the position in a lot of these scientists. Guess what, it's not happening.

But if you really want to follow the money then one needs to look no further than political donations/campaign contributions from energy producing companies. 90% of those contributions were given to REPUBLICANS (96% from coal producing companies)

So ask yourself, which is more likely? Scientists selling out to the highest bidder (in a political climate where supporting the idea of global warming is more likely to get federal funding cut) OR politicians selling out their votes to those who donate the most to their campaigns?
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The climate change deniers love to claim the scientific community backs the idea of human activity as the cause of global warming because that's where "the money is"

This idea is laughable given the current political situation. The Republicans currently control both houses of Congress and the Presidency. If those who are studying climate change were only in it for the government grants then you would expect a change in the position in a lot of these scientists. Guess what, it's not happening.

But if you really want to follow the money then one needs to look no further than political donations/campaign contributions from energy producing companies. 90% of those contributions were given to REPUBLICANS (96% from coal producing companies)

So ask yourself, which is more likely? Scientists selling out to the highest bidder (in a political climate where supporting the idea of global warming is more likely to get federal funding cut) OR politicians selling out their votes to those who donate the most to their campaigns?
Don't forget that conservatives also have the majority on the Supreme Court. Conservatives control all three branches of government; lock, stock and barrel. Passing the crying towel to progressives.
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Passing the crying towel to progressives.
When it comes to our environment, pass the crying towel to humanity.
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When it comes to our environment, pass the crying towel to humanity.
Fuck humanity and the horse they rode in on.

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The climate change deniers love to claim the scientific community backs the idea of human activity as the cause of global warming because that's where "the money is"

This idea is laughable given the current political situation. The Republicans currently control both houses of Congress and the Presidency. If those who are studying climate change were only in it for the government grants then you would expect a change in the position in a lot of these scientists. Guess what, it's not happening.

But if you really want to follow the money then one needs to look no further than political donations/campaign contributions from energy producing companies. 90% of those contributions were given to REPUBLICANS (96% from coal producing companies)

So ask yourself, which is more likely? Scientists selling out to the highest bidder (in a political climate where supporting the idea of global warming is more likely to get federal funding cut) OR politicians selling out their votes to those who donate the most to their campaigns?

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This is where your side shows it's intent.....1) You are projecting a false narrative...nobody is "denying" that climate change is happening....It has always gone on and will continue to go on...2) What the skeptics are wondering about is how much of it (percentage of the whole) is caused by human activity.....3) Without that part of the data, how does anybody know if any amount of effort by humans will have any effect on slowing down climate change?...If so...how much before that upsets the world economic balance.... And 4) by politicizing climate change your side has created a natural skepticism of the validity of the subject......
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This is where your side shows it's intent.....1) You are projecting a false narrative...nobody is "denying" that climate change is happening....It has always gone on and will continue to go on...2) What the skeptics are wondering about is how much of it (percentage of the whole) is caused by human activity.....3) Without that part of the data, how does anybody know if any amount of effort by humans will have any effect on slowing down climate change?...If so...how much before that upsets the world economic balance.... And 4) by politicizing climate change your side has created a natural skepticism of the validity of the subject......
They deny Texas and Florida and New Jersey/New York and a west aflame. They deny the infrastructure spending necessary to protect our national investment. They go beyond denying the cause. They deny the very reality itself. So we will spend hundreds of billions bailing out cities and homeowners without investing in infrastructure mitigation so we can just rinse and repeat over and over. Now there's a smart approach......LOLK
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This is where your side shows its ignorance, stupidity, and gullibility!



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..1) You are projecting a false narrative...nobody is "denying" that climate change is happening....It has always gone on and will continue to go on...2) What the skeptics are wondering about is how much of it (percentage of the whole) is caused by human activity.....3) Without that part of the data, how does anybody know if any amount of effort by humans will have any effect on slowing down climate change?...If so...how much before that upsets the world economic balance.... And 4) by politicizing climate change your side has created a natural skepticism of the validity of the subject......
Here is the rightwingnut AGW denier cult insanity and stark ignorance plain as day.

Our world has enjoyed fairly stable climate patterns for thousands of years, with sea levels staying about the same, with a repetitive cycle of seasons with each season falling within a fairly constant range of temperatures, with ocean temperatures that remained about the same, with polar ice caps that remained about the same.

The fossil fuel industry propaganda pushers distort science to deceive the morons they recruited into their astro-turfed cult of reality denial. One idiotic bit of twisted science they came up with was telling their gullible retards that "the climate has always been changing". This lie only fools the very ignorant. As UCAR, or the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research puts it: "Climate is the average weather in a place over many years. While the weather can change in just a few hours, climate takes hundreds, thousands, even millions of years to change." There have been some very long periods of time in Earth's history when the prevailing climate patterns remained pretty stable for millions of years.

When people nowadays use the term 'climate change', they are almost always referring to the anthropogenic, or human caused, climate changes that are currently disrupting and altering the overall global climate patterns that have endured for many thousands of years and that our agricultural systems all developed in and depend on to provide regular seasonal rainfall within a normal range of temperatures. Some years may a bit hotter or cooler, or have lots of rain or little rain, but that is just weather variation. The long term averages for each climate zone over 30 years or more remained about the same globally for thousands of years. The amount of ice at the poles remained about the same, so sea levels did too. The world has a number of ancient coastline cities that have been there for thousands of years, that are only now being flooded regularly and in danger of inundation as sea levels rise due to human caused global warming. Denier cultists deliberately try to confuse people by implying that the current rapid, abrupt, global warming driven climate changes must be 'natural' and 'nothing to worry about' because, as the moronic dufus who wrote the post put it: "climate change is happening....it has always gone on and will continue to go on". That is horseshit based on conflating natural climate changes over millions of years with what has happened un-naturally over the last century or so. The current abrupt rapid warming and its consequent climate changes are entirely unnatural and almost entirely the result of human activities that have increased atmospheric CO2 levels by over 46%. And that is the answer to the clueless denier cult question: "how much of it (percentage of the whole) is caused by human activity." PRETTY MUCH ALL OF IT.

And, BTW, it was the fossil fuel industry propaganda pushers who "politicized climate change" and deliberately created an entirely un-natural distrust of science among the gullible clueless rightwingnut retards, as the greedheads try to confuse this life-threatening issue and prevent or delay the very necessary legal limitations or taxes on carbon emissions that would destroy their trillion dollar a year profit streams and crash their stock prices.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 12:01 PM   #58
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This is where your side shows it's intent.....1) You are projecting a false narrative...nobody is "denying" that climate change is happening....It has always gone on and will continue to go on...2) What the skeptics are wondering about is how much of it (percentage of the whole) is caused by human activity.....3) Without that part of the data, how does anybody know if any amount of effort by humans will have any effect on slowing down climate change?...If so...how much before that upsets the world economic balance.... And 4) by politicizing climate change your side has created a natural skepticism of the validity of the subject......
"How much of it (percentage of the whole) is caused by human activity?"

Just asking the question shows that you don't understand how this works.

This is not an insult. There are many things that I don't understand how they work. But when I don't understand I don't run around claiming the experts are wrong (or worse, lying about it).

The simple answer is "all of it" but that isn't a complete answer. The human caused climate change deniers point out that the amount of greenhouse gas produced naturally dwarfs the amount produced by humans. But that is a statistic meant to mislead. They also like to point out that there have been changes in climate throughout history. Many before man ever came on the scene. Another piece of information meant to mislead.

The amount of greenhouse gas produced by man is small compared to nature but comparing those numbers does nothing to explain why global warming/climate change is caused by human activity. It's the imbalance that is caused in the natural CO2 cycle caused by human activity that is the issue.

Natural changes in climate happen over tens of thousands to millions of years. The current changes are taking place over decades. This is NOT a natural change.
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This is where your side shows it's intent.....1) You are projecting a false narrative...nobody is "denying" that climate change is happening....It has always gone on and will continue to go on...2) What the skeptics are wondering about is how much of it (percentage of the whole) is caused by human activity.....3) Without that part of the data, how does anybody know if any amount of effort by humans will have any effect on slowing down climate change?...If so...how much before that upsets the world economic balance.... And 4) by politicizing climate change your side has created a natural skepticism of the validity of the subject......
The ONLY people who have "politicized" this are the Right Wing/conservatives/Republicans.

Global Warming/climate change is a fact. Human activity is driving force behind this is a fact.

The politicizing comes when people want to deny these facts because to acknowledge them means that free market capitalism might have to be reigned in.

As a Libertarian I understand (and even empathize) with the concerns of those who dislike centralized control by "big government"

But as a science enthusiast, realist and truth seeker I can't see any other solution. We can't stick our heads in the sand and cry that AGW is just a hoax cooked up by the left wing to gain power. It isn't, it's real and unless we do something NOW our descendants are going to be in a world of hum.
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Global Warming/climate change is a fact. Human activity is driving force behind this is a fact.....
No its not. You have been brain washed.
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