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Old December 6th, 2017, 10:57 AM   #1
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A schism in the ranks of deniers

I started reading THIS Axios story titled "The right's civil war over science goes to Tennessee" and found this:

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Driving the news: The American Legislative Exchange Council, a policy group of conservative state lawmakers and companies, holds a meeting Thursday in Nashville, Tenn. Members of one of its task forces are expected to vote on whether to draft a proposal calling on the Environmental Protection Agency to withdraw a scientific finding that greenhouse gas emissions endanger public health and welfare.

Quoted: Steve Milloy, who runs a website that tries to dispute the scientific consensus that human activity is a major contributor to climate change, said on Twitter Tuesday he hopes to defeat ExxonMobil and other members of the group that have publicly said they oppose any effort to undo the EPA's scientific finding.
This guy was claiming that Exxon was changing it's position on AGW because that would make it worse for the smaller O&G companies and give them an advantage.

This didn't make sense to me so I read more and the Axios story linked me to HERE.

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ALEC's resolution calls the Obama administration finding “flawed,” specifically taking issue with the science that it cited, and calls upon the EPA to “reopen and review” it.

“As has been previously communicated to ALEC, we are concerned by the language of the resolution, especially relating to climate science, and do not support the resolution,” Kenneth Freeman, ExxonMobil’s manager of United States government relations, wrote in the Monday letter to ALEC's energy, environment and agriculture task force.

“ExxonMobil will continue to oppose the resolution and will vote against it should it come before the taskforce or the board.”

ExxonMobil’s public dissent is part of a broader rift that the climate resolution is exposing within ALEC, a group funded by organizations like Koch Industries Inc. and coal miner Peabody Energy Corp., which pushes conservative policies in the state and federal governments.
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ALEC has lost some major corporate members due to its opposition to climate policies, like Google, Royal Dutch Shell and Facebook.
Exxon, along with Shell have forsaken the dark side.
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Shell and EXXON are 2 of the largest producers on green energy you can add BP in the mix you will have a big 3

they are winners either way.

They understand MMGW is a Hoax. but they have hedged their bet if the Hoax mongers win they win too.
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Shell and EXXON are 2 of the largest producers on green energy you can add BP in the mix you will have a big 3

they are winners either way.

They understand MMGW is a Hoax. but they have hedged their bet if the Hoax mongers win they win too.
Your point.
I've always said green energy will become acceptable and popular ONLY when the "right" people and industries are in a position to make money from it.

BULLSHIT. Almost ZERO credible climatologists believe that man's activities are the SOLE (Man Made Global Warming) cause of global climate change. Rational people agree that man's activities are a CONTRIBUTING FACTOR to global climate change, it's severity and frequency.
The debate concerns to what degree and what can be done about it.
But you boys stick with your mindless little slogans.
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Your point.
I've always said green energy will become acceptable and popular ONLY when the "right" people and industries are in a position to make money from it.

BULLSHIT. Almost ZERO credible climatologists believe that man's activities are the SOLE (Man Made Global Warming) cause of global climate change. Rational people agree that man's activities are a CONTRIBUTING FACTOR to global climate change, it's severity and frequency.
The debate concerns to what degree and what can be done about it.
But you boys stick with your mindless little slogans.
I have to agree I am not against green energy. conservation is always good, I have always said we need a triad system of energy productions Renewable/Nuclear/Fossil fuels this way we will not have all of our eggs in one basket, just like I feel about personal finance diversity, the same with energy if there is an interruption in one form we have 2 other sources on which to rely

I oppose the forced taxation of people based on a hoax.

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I have to agree I am not against green energy. conservation is always good, I have always said we need a triad system of energy productions Renewable/Nuclear/Fossil fuels this way we will not have all of our eggs in one basket, just like I feel about personal finance diversity, the same with energy if there is an interruption in one form we have 2 other sources on which to rely

I oppose the forced taxation of people based on a hoax.
What hoax do you refer to?
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What hoax do you refer to?
Man Made.
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Man Made.
You people CLAIM that is what people on the left claim. I repeat, name the credible climatologists that contend man's activities is the SOLE cause of giobal climate change.
Key phrase is CONTRIBUTING FACTOR!!!!!
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You people CLAIM that is what people on the left claim. I repeat, name the credible climatologists that contend man's activities is the SOLE cause of giobal climate change.
Key phrase is CONTRIBUTING FACTOR!!!!!
The climate phase if anything has not been effected by humans.

This warming period is on time and pretty much on scale to the previous 4 warming periods.
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The climate phase if anything has not been effected by humans.

This warming period is on time and pretty much on scale to the previous 4 warming periods.
Jesus!!! Now you apparently cannot even read and understand plain English.
You are completely hopeless. Incapable of reason or logic. Good day.
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