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Old April 28th, 2018, 06:26 PM   #11
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You are correct. Plastic has been a major misinformation campaign by the government. People believe that plastic never breaks down and it lasts for thousands of years. Information brought to you by the government. Oil spills never go away. False information as well. The largest oil spills are actually caused by oil spilling out of fissures in the ocean floor. Oil is naturally eaten by bacteria. What it comes down to is NIMBY. Environmental concerns are best handled on a local scale. Once it goes global it turns into a war on humanity.

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Global challenges require globally coordinated fixes. You splinter fans simply were born at the wrong time, not that splintering and division ever had a decent track record. Check out Europe's war history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...icts_in_Europe And Europe wrote the book on "independent" governments.

Owing to the fact that microplastics are ubiquitously found throughout the earth's oceans, it's very clear local "solutions" are pointless. Here's a little more on microplastics.

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What are microplastics?

Plastic is the most prevalent type of marine debris found in our ocean and Great Lakes. Plastic debris can come in all shapes and sizes, but those that are less than five millimeters in length (or about the size of a sesame seed) are called “microplastics.”

As an emerging field of study, not a lot is known about microplastics and their impacts yet. The NOAA Marine Debris Program is leading efforts within NOAA to research this topic. Standardized field methods for collecting sediment, sand, and surface-water microplastic samples have been developed and continue to undergo testing. Eventually, field and laboratory protocols will allow for global comparisons of the amount of microplastics released into the environment, which is the first step in determining the final distribution, impacts, and fate of this debris.

Microplastics come from a variety of sources, including from larger plastic debris that degrades into smaller and smaller pieces. In addition, microbeads, a type of microplastic, are very tiny pieces of manufactured polyethylene plastic that are added as exfoliants to health and beauty products, such as some cleansers and toothpastes. These tiny particles easily pass through water filtration systems and end up in the ocean and Great Lakes, posing a potential threat to aquatic life.

Microbeads are not a recent problem. According to the United Nations Environment Programme, plastic microbeads first appeared in personal care products about fifty years ago, with plastics increasingly replacing natural ingredients. As recently as 2012, this issue was still relatively unknown, with an abundance of products containing plastic microbeads on the market and not a lot of awareness on the part of consumers.

On December 28, 2015, President Obama signed the Microbead-Free Waters Act of 2015, banning plastic microbeads in cosmetics and personal care products.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/microplastics.html
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Old April 28th, 2018, 07:04 PM   #12
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What Are Microbeads And Why Are They Illegal?

Next time you wash your face, think of the sludge that you've just dumped in the rivers and ocean. Not from your skin. From microbeads.

Microbeads are tiny bits of plastic found in exfoliating body washes and facial scrubs. Since their introduction in 1972, they have made their way into more than 100 personal care products sold by companies such as Procter & Gamble, Unilever, and L'Oréal.

But there's mounting evidence that these beads—while great at scraping dead dermis—are equally adept at killing marine life and bringing harmful chemicals into the food chain. Since 2012, when researchers searched the Great Lakes for small pieces of plastic and found high concentrations of microbeads, environmentalists have campaigned to ban them.
Last week, Congress finally agreed. It booted microbeads from the consumer supply line.

Aware that microbeads act as environmental pollutants, several leading companies in the personal care industry have pledged to stop putting plastic microbeads in their products. The federal ban will hold them to that promise.
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While microbeads are no better at scrubbing the skin than particles of shells or seeds, they're much cheaper to mass-produce. Which is why, since the 1990s, manufacturers have increasingly replaced natural materials with plastic shards. Microbeads have even made their way into certain toothpastes.
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Global challenges require globally coordinated fixes. You splinter fans simply were born at the wrong time, not that splintering and division ever had a decent track record. Check out Europe's war history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...icts_in_Europe And Europe wrote the book on "independent" governments.

Owing to the fact that microplastics are ubiquitously found throughout the earth's oceans, it's very clear local "solutions" are pointless. Here's a little more on microplastics.



https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/microplastics.html
If the libertarian right is okay with international banking/financial services, trade rules and patent&copyrights can be enforced by law...with the threat of war and near war (sanctions) for any violators, WHY can there be no global enforcement of carbon limits and reductions? And I mean besides the glaring obvious answers!
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And from the "Anything for a Buck Department," i.e. free market capitalism:



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There is almost no such thing as "free market" capitalism in real life! Nevertheless, all capitalist systems are going to continually push for more profits NOW and leave the future and all negative consequences for others to fix....or not.

Should I be surprised that plastics producers would charge ahead and try to maintain production of products they know are environmentally hazardous? Not if I consider how they have fought against release of negative research studies on tobacco, carbon dioxide emissions, new pharmaceutical drugs etc.. So, when they buy enough political influence to control both official parties in a rigged fake democratic system, they are free to poison people and ruin their health (as I mentioned on a prior thread) and free to destroy the environment all life and future generations of humans depend on for survival. Live for today/the hell with everyone and everything else is the morality of the sociopath...and that's who runs this world today!
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Global challenges require globally coordinated fixes. You splinter fans simply were born at the wrong time, not that splintering and division ever had a decent track record. Check out Europe's war history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...icts_in_Europe And Europe wrote the book on "independent" governments.

Owing to the fact that microplastics are ubiquitously found throughout the earth's oceans, it's very clear local "solutions" are pointless. Here's a little more on microplastics.



https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/microplastics.html
Thats great, again the best solutions is to be done at the local level. NIMBY is the best effort to not allow plastics to end up in the water to begin with. That is the only real results you can cite.
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