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Old June 7th, 2018, 10:40 AM   #11
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Yeah, but that's for how it relates to flying aircraft. Even if CO2 had some effect on the performance or capacity of aircraft to fly (including effects on engines & fuel), that's a different context from the question of what detrimental impact CO2 has on the environment, whether natural or man made.
No it isn't. Read the rest of it. It is for scientific study of phenomenon int the earth's atmosphere and of space.

And more and more, NASA is getting involved in studying land-based issues like groundwater, deforestation and such. Studies which are best and most accurately done by satellite measurements. And it's a good thing, too.
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No it isn't. Read the rest of it. It is for scientific study of phenomenon int the earth's atmosphere and of space.

And more and more, NASA is getting involved in studying land-based issues like groundwater, deforestation and such. Studies which are best and most accurately done by satellite measurements. And it's a good thing, too.
And those studies are already perfected by Geologist and biologist
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No it isn't. Read the rest of it. It is for scientific study of phenomenon int the earth's atmosphere and of space.
Yeah, that's what I'm referring to.

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And more and more, NASA is getting involved in studying land-based issues like groundwater, deforestation and such. Studies which are best and most accurately done by satellite measurements. And it's a good thing, too.
That's fine, because those things are dependent, associated, and relevant to each other. The point of putting artificial satellites into orbit is to serve some other purpose, whether it's telecommunication, GPS, telescopes, imaging, sensors for the studies you mention, etc.

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And those studies are already perfected by Geologist and biologist
Right & I'm not saying that the atmosphere and environment shouldn't be studied by someone, I'm just saying that NASA's going off track or out of scope by doing anything other than surveying, taking measurements, and passing on the raw data to the geologists, biologists, climatologists, physicists, etc. for them to do the analysis, theorizing, etc.
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No it isn't. Read the rest of it. It is for scientific study of phenomenon int the earth's atmosphere and of space.

And more and more, NASA is getting involved in studying land-based issues like groundwater, deforestation and such. Studies which are best and most accurately done by satellite measurements. And it's a good thing, too.
I'm not opposed to NASA studying earths atmosphere. I'm interested in who gave them this mandate, and who's paying for it. And why couldn't this be done by an independent agency?
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Yeah, that's what I'm referring to.


That's fine, because those things are dependent, associated, and relevant to each other. The point of putting artificial satellites into orbit is to serve some other purpose, whether it's telecommunication, GPS, telescopes, imaging, sensors for the studies you mention, etc.



Right & I'm not saying that the atmosphere and environment shouldn't be studied by someone, I'm just saying that NASA's going off track or out of scope by doing anything other than surveying, taking measurements, and passing on the raw data to the geologists, biologists, climatologists, physicists, etc. for them to do the analysis, theorizing, etc.
I agree this is already being studied and funding for those studies is already allocated, we don't need duplication
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When NASA was first created by the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958, it was given the role of developing technology for “space observations,” but it wasn’t given a role in Earth science. The agency’s leaders embedded the technology effort in an Earth Observations program centered at the new Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, in the U.S.. It was an “Applications” program, in NASA-speak. Other agencies of the federal government were responsible for carrying out Earth science research: the Weather Bureau (now the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or NOAA) and the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS). The Applications program signed cooperative agreements with these other agencies that obligated NASA to develop observational technology while NOAA and the USGS carried out the scientific research. The Nimbus series of experimental weather satellites and the Landsat series of land resources satellites were the result of the Applications program.

This Applications model of cross-agency research failed during the 1970s, though, due to the bad economy and an extended period of high inflation. Congress responded by cutting the budgets of all three agencies, leaving NOAA and the USGS unable to fund their part of the arrangement and putting pressure on NASA, too. At the same time, congressional leaders wanted to see NASA doing more research toward “national needs.” These needs included things like energy efficiency, pollution, ozone depletion and climate change. In 1976, Congress revised the Space Act to give NASA authority to carry out stratospheric ozone research, formalizing the agency’s movement into the Earth sciences.
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NASA = An independent agency of the United States government responsible for aviation and spaceflight.
Why should they be doing anything other that what their purpose it?
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To provide for research into problems of flight within and outside the earth's atmosphere, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

TITLE I -- SHORT TITLE, DECLARATION OF POLICY, AND DEFINITIONS

SHORT TITLE

Sec. 101. This act may be cited as the "National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958".

DECLARATION OF POLICY AND PURPOSE

Sec. 102. (a) The Congress hereby declares that it is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.

(b) The Congress declares that the general welfare and security of the United States require that adequate provision be made for aeronautical and space activities. The Congress further declares that such activities shall be the responsibility of, and shall be directed by, a civilian agency exercising control over aeronautical and space activities sponsored by the United States, except that activities peculiar to or primarily associated with the development of weapons systems, military operations, or the defense of the United States (including the research and development necessary to make effective provision for the defense of the United States) shall be the responsibility of, and shall be directed by, the Department of Defense; and that determination as to which such agency has responsibility for and direction of any such activity shall be made by the President in conformity with section 201 (e).

(c) The aeronautical and space activities of the United States shall be conducted so as to contribute materially to one or more of the following objectives:

(1) The expansion of human knowledge of phenomena in the atmosphere and space;


(2) The improvement of the usefulness, performance, speed, safety, and efficiency of aeronautical and space vehicles;

(3) The development and operation of vehicles capable of carrying instruments, equipment, supplies and living organisms through space;

(4) The establishment of long-range studies of the potential benefits to be gained from, the opportunities for, and the problems involved in the utilization of aeronautical and space activities for peaceful and scientific purposes.

(5) The preservation of the role of the United States as a leader in aeronautical and space science and technology and in the application thereof to the conduct of peaceful activities within and outside the atmosphere.

(6) The making available to agencies directly concerned with national defenses of discoveries that have military value or significance, and the furnishing by such agencies, to the civilian agency established to direct and control nonmilitary aeronautical and space activities, of information as to discoveries which have value or significance to that agency;

(7) Cooperation by the United States with other nations and groups of nations in work done pursuant to this Act and in the peaceful application of the results, thereof; and

(8 ) The most effective utilization of the scientific and engineering resources of the United States, with close cooperation among all interested agencies of the United States in order to avoid unnecessary duplication of effort, facilities, and equipment.

(d) It is the purpose of this Act to carry out and effectuate the policies declared in subsections (a), (b), and (c).


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It's beating a dead horse with the deniers. They'd need either God or a race of super-evolved beings to appear on earth and say, "Yes, humans are affecting the climate," before they'd change their opinions set in stone and immune to the expansion of our climatological knowledge.

I commend your tenacity RNG and BD, but you and I all know is wasted on true deniers.
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I agree this is already being studied and funding for those studies is already allocated, we don't need duplication
Sure...who needs duplication when one can rely on a single study that...well...seemingly cannot be duplicated?:





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