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Old June 26th, 2018, 02:36 PM   #1
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What Lies Upstream.

This is the title of a documentary you need to see. If you haven't already. There are many disturbing things in it. One of which is the way that chemical companies have to get rid of toxic waste. Basically, they just flush it down the toilet! I wonder how that sounds to the deregulation scumbags out there.
In the documentary they talked mostly about one kind of chemical. Apparently companies are supposed to make some sort of attempt at testing to see how toxic their chemical may be. For the one chemical they were talking about, it turned out to be twice as toxic as the company reported. Worse yet, when such things are found out, what the company orginally had to say about it to government agencies isn't changed!
Here is something else they talked about. There are thousands of chemicals out there that companies are allowed to hold as sort of a trade secret. Which means that they don't have to tell any government agency what the chemical composition of that chemical is. Which makes testing for it nearly impossible.
Also, you may have heard on the news before about there being lead in the water in Flint, Michigan. (Due to some sort of money saving effort) And all the uproar that caused. But as it turns out, what happened in Flint is just a minuscule drop in the bucket compared to what's going on in other parts of the U.S.
What does all this add up to? Well for this and zillions of other reasons, is is that if you are a capitalist you are a brainwashed scumbag cultist. At best! For anybody that disagrees with any of this, I hope you have deformed babies fron drinking the water.
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You my dear sir sound like a very unhappy person. I suggest you purchase a good water filter and have a nice cold glass of water, and perhaps take a nap.
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You my dear sir sound like a very unhappy person. I suggest you purchase a good water filter and have a nice cold glass of water, and perhaps take a nap.
Poor advice. I thought he sounded over-hydrated.
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This is the title of a documentary you need to see. If you haven't already. There are many disturbing things in it. One of which is the way that chemical companies have to get rid of toxic waste. Basically, they just flush it down the toilet! I wonder how that sounds to the deregulation scumbags out there.
In the documentary they talked mostly about one kind of chemical. Apparently companies are supposed to make some sort of attempt at testing to see how toxic their chemical may be. For the one chemical they were talking about, it turned out to be twice as toxic as the company reported. Worse yet, when such things are found out, what the company orginally had to say about it to government agencies isn't changed!
Here is something else they talked about. There are thousands of chemicals out there that companies are allowed to hold as sort of a trade secret. Which means that they don't have to tell any government agency what the chemical composition of that chemical is. Which makes testing for it nearly impossible.
Also, you may have heard on the news before about there being lead in the water in Flint, Michigan. (Due to some sort of money saving effort) And all the uproar that caused. But as it turns out, what happened in Flint is just a minuscule drop in the bucket compared to what's going on in other parts of the U.S.
What does all this add up to? Well for this and zillions of other reasons, is is that if you are a capitalist you are a brainwashed scumbag cultist. At best! For anybody that disagrees with any of this, I hope you have deformed babies fron drinking the water.

For decades Standard Oil dumped gasoline into the Cuyahoga River. The river was actually FLAMMABLE (don't ask me if it still has fish in it). Gasoline had no "use" at the time and was considered just highly flammable hazardous waste.

John Rockefeller solved the problem by having his engineers design machines that ran on gasoline in his refineries and other businesses.
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Now they worry....should have done that when we were dumping Agent Orange upstream and then we were taking showers in it...
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Now they worry....should have done that when we were dumping Agent Orange upstream and then we were taking showers in it...
Exactly! It's as if Agent Orange (& all the other agents) couldn't distinguish between the good guys & the bad guys.
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You my dear sir sound like a very unhappy person. I suggest you purchase a good water filter and have a nice cold glass of water, and perhaps take a nap.
For what I brought up, do you suppose that I have no reason to be unhappy? Also, a water filter may do a little good. But there are probably chemicals out ther that a water filter would do no good against. And what about those who can't afford a water filter. And if you catch a fish to eat, how do you filter it. Or how do you filter a plant you may eat that was grown in soil made toxic by all the crap it was watered with.
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For decades Standard Oil dumped gasoline into the Cuyahoga River. The river was actually FLAMMABLE (don't ask me if it still has fish in it). Gasoline had no "use" at the time and was considered just highly flammable hazardous waste.

John Rockefeller solved the problem by having his engineers design machines that ran on gasoline in his refineries and other businesses.
I had heard of a river somewhere in the U.S. that was so polluted that it could be burned. But that was the case decades after gasoline was used to power cars. Though from what I have heard, they have cleaned that river up some. Also, if you watched the documentary I mentioned, you would find out that it isn't so much what is in the rivers that you need to worry about. (Which is still pretty bad) It is what is now showing up in the soil. Not that regulations matter much, there is a clean water act. But there is no clean soil act. These days there is a kind of "Love Canal" thing going on all over the place. As for what pollution Rockefeller caused, "The more that things change, the more they stay the same."
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Now they worry....should have done that when we were dumping Agent Orange upstream and then we were taking showers in it...
Are you being facetious? I heard of them spraying Agent Orange in Vietnam. But I never heard of any company dumping it in the rivers here. Not that it would surprise me much.
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For what I brought up, do you suppose that I have no reason to be unhappy? Also, a water filter may do a little good. But there are probably chemicals out ther that a water filter would do no good against. And what about those who can't afford a water filter. And if you catch a fish to eat, how do you filter it. Or how do you filter a plant you may eat that was grown in soil made toxic by all the crap it was watered with.
Exactly the problem. We need to work on clearing the water exiting our sewage plants & returning to the surface water (see https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...age-treatment/) or water table as drinkable. TMK, we can't filter out half of the drugs/chemicals (& their breakdown components after passing through humans or livestock). Amphibians are dying out across the industrialized world, & worse, the contaminants are leaching into the oceans. We get various blooms & dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico, for instance - depending on where big ag is in its fertilizing - fumigating - insecticide application schedule on the Mississippi River & tributaries - & all that material makes its way down to the Gulf & the various seafood that comes from there.
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