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Old October 19th, 2015, 09:30 PM   #1
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Stalin portraits emerge in heart of Ukraine's rebel-held territory

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Soviet nostalgia rules....


Three portraits of the former Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin are on display in the centre of Donetsk, the rebel capital of eastern Ukraine, as the separatist authorities fuel a mood of Soviet nostalgia.

The Stalin portraits have been placed in the main square and feature a quote from the wartime leader: “Our cause is just. The enemy will be routed. We will claim victory.”

The previously taboo display comes as the rebels revive Soviet customs to cement their Moscow-backed rule – while glossing over Stalin’s atrocities.

The portraits went down well with one young woman walking past. “I think the portraits of Stalin are a good thing. It’s our history and a lot of people have forgotten he even existed,” said Yekaterina, a 22-year-old student.

The horrors of Stalin’s repressions and the deaths of up to five million Ukrainians in the 1930s due to famine caused by forced collectivisation go unmentioned.

The Donetsk rebel leader, Alexander Zakharchenko, said how he regretted the break-up of the Soviet Union.

“The Soviet Union was a great country and it was a huge mistake that it was destroyed by the CIA and other secret services,” said the 39-year-old former field commander who prefers to dress in camouflage gear. “Europe and other countries were scared stiff of us.”

Stalin portraits have become de rigueur in the offices of rebel officials in eastern Ukraine, where the separatist conflict has killed more than 8,000 people.
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I have met only one ex-Nazi from the Ukraine who was a prison guard and his name was Alex. Over thirty years ago on the seedy side of Columbus, Ohio. High crime area and called the Short North back then, I met Alex and he was a nice guy who hated Russia.
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I have met only one ex-Nazi from the Ukraine who was a prison guard and his name was Alex. Over thirty years ago on the seedy side of Columbus, Ohio. High crime area and called the Short North back then, I met Alex and he was a nice guy who hated Russia.
Many in the rebel-held areas of Ukraine long for a return to Soviet-style government. Many want a government that will take care of them.

Just as Russia has labeled all anti-Assad forces as "ISIS," all who are anti-Yanukovych and against the Russian annexation of Crimea have been labeled "nazis."
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These fools are celebrating the same goon who liquidated their ancestors by way of starvation. Unbelievable. Why should we be surprised that Putin has high approval ratings ?
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These fools are celebrating the same goon who liquidated their ancestors by way of starvation. Unbelievable. Why should we be surprised that Putin has high approval ratings ?
Two points.

One, pensioners, think Social Security recipients, were hammered by the transition to capitalism, and they still are. Most cannot afford medical care, and with the devaluation of their currency, which of course is all the US' fault, millions are incredibly poor ... unlike the good ol' days before the USSR was busted.

Two, many, many people to this day believe Stalin was unaware of the atrocities committed during his reign, and had he been aware he would have prevented them.

An alternate reality....
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Two points.

One, pensioners, think Social Security recipients, were hammered by the transition to capitalism, and they still are. Most cannot afford medical care, and with the devaluation of their currency, which of course is all the US' fault, millions are incredibly poor ... unlike the good ol' days before the USSR was busted.

Two, many, many people to this day believe Stalin was unaware of the atrocities committed during his reign, and had he been aware he would have prevented them.

An alternate reality....
Wow, sounds like some old German women I have talked to. Many of them don't believe Hitler knew about the atrocities his regime was committing as well. Crazy, huh? I guess some people need something to believe in. Like Bush fans......

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Two points.

One, pensioners, think Social Security recipients, were hammered by the transition to capitalism, and they still are. Most cannot afford medical care, and with the devaluation of their currency, which of course is all the US' fault, millions are incredibly poor ... unlike the good ol' days before the USSR was busted.

Two, many, many people to this day believe Stalin was unaware of the atrocities committed during his reign, and had he been aware he would have prevented them.

An alternate reality....
3. They want to come to American and join the Democratic Socialists of American movement. Go Bernie
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3. They want to come to American and join the Democratic Socialists of American movement. Go Bernie
First, I don't appreciate your abusing my thread to discuss US politics.

Second, you're wrong as hell. The nostalgics are ideologues, and they are proud of where they live, proud in a way that is largely not seen in many US citizens.

Third, to the nostalgics, the US is a fascist state and Russia is the world's defender of democracy.
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It's a strange phenomenon. I have never talked to any former citizen of the USSR about Stalin, but I have heard old Germans say nice things about Hitler and old Chinese say nice things about Mao. Some have a truly complicated relationship with their memories of these men, others are just plain nostalgic. It is interesting to listen to their stories, though.
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It's a strange phenomenon. I have never talked to any former citizen of the USSR about Stalin, but I have heard old Germans say nice things about Hitler and old Chinese say nice things about Mao. Some have a truly complicated relationship with their memories of these men, others are just plain nostalgic. It is interesting to listen to their stories, though.
The power of the press. That's why dictators always want to suppress them or better still, totally control them.

In this day and age one should use the term media.
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