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Old November 11th, 2015, 06:09 AM   #1
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Russian Media Blames US for Crash, 224 Deaths

It's no damned wonder. I watch this crap on Russian TV, with an interpreter. She's good-looking too.

The standard Kremlin propaganda tactic is to loose a bunch of semi-plausible stories, all with the theme that the US is to blame ... for whatever. Pull quote:
"...the consolidation of Putin’s criminal regime at home is far more important for the Kremlin than the international cooperation, and that Moscow is ready to escalate its war on the West.”
Yep.

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Russian Media Veers Into Conspiracies on Egypt Plane Crash

The crash of Metrojet Flight 9268 in Egypt on October 31, which killed all 224 people on board, was more than the worst aviation disaster in the country’s history. Once it became clear that the cause of the crash was probably terrorism, it also became a messaging nightmare for the Kremlin’s propaganda machine.

Since Russia’s Syria campaign began, Kremlin officials and the state media have been framing it as a painless war that was boosting Moscow’s international prestige. All patriotic citizens needed to do was sit back and enjoy the grainy footage of terrorists being obliterated by Russia’s shiny new military machine.

The deaths of hundreds of Russian civilians threatened to change that, especially after the Islamic State claimed responsibility and the evidence that a bomb—and not technical failure—destroyed the aircraft mounted. Suddenly the Syria campaign wasn’t cost-free anymore. So parts of Russian state media did what came naturally: They blamed the West.

Sputnik got the ball rolling with a piece on November 6 claiming that “British officials have made an unseemly leap to speculate on a terrorist plot in the Russian airliner crash over Sinai last weekend.”

The story concluded: “The confidence by which these assessments of terror methodology are being made raises an even more troubling, darker question: Was it really terrorists, or was it British MI6 agents palming the deed off as terrorists?”

On the same day, the conspiracy website WhatDoesItMean.com published an article claiming that Russia had captured two “CIA assets who are believed to have masterminded the downing of Flight 9268.”

And then came Dmitry Kiselyov. On his flagship news show Vesti Nedeli on Russian state television, the bombastic pundit suggested on November 8 that it was suspicious that after two years of U.S. air strikes against Islamic State, no American passenger planes have been targeted. And yet a Russian civilian aircraft was downed just 40 days into Russia’s military campaign in Syria.

Kiselyov went on to suggest that the United States and its allies cut a deal with Islamic State “not to touch the civilian aircraft of the Western Coalition.” He added that “dividing terrorists into good ones and bad ones is standard practice for the West. If the terrorist is targeting Russia, he’s a good terrorist and even a supporter of democracy.”

Writing on his blog, Anton Shekhovtvov, a senior fellow at the Legatum Institute and a research associate at the Kiev-based Institute for Euro-Atlantic Cooperation, noted that “this version may seem absurd to everyone who is not prone to conspiracy theories, but it is also extremely dangerous. It means that, indeed, the consolidation of Putin’s criminal regime at home is far more important for the Kremlin than the international cooperation, and that Moscow is ready to escalate its war on the West.”
More: Russian Media Veers Into Conspiracies on the Crash of Metrojet Flight 9268 - The Atlantic

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Old November 11th, 2015, 10:29 AM   #2
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I'm changing the thread title from "Russian Media Veers Into Conspiracies on Egypt Plane Crash" to "Russian Media Blames US for Crash, 224 Deaths," as an experiment.

It's more honest anyway.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 10:36 AM   #3
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I'm changing the thread title from "Russian Media Veers Into Conspiracies on Egypt Plane Crash" to "Russian Media Blames US for Crash, 224 Deaths," as an experiment.

It's more honest anyway.
And also in the news, it will get dark tonight with some light by morning?
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And also in the news, it will get dark tonight with some light by morning?
No, it is news, not breaking news, but news. Forget the New Russia. All hail the New Tsar!!

It's Putin trolling, lots of different lures. Since Crimea, the width and depth of anti-West propaganda have grown enormously.
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Putin could probably not survive without blaming the West for his poor decisions. I'm not surprised at all actually.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 11:06 AM   #6
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Genius. Who needs ICBMs?

It's a Mirror story, but my interpreter listened to the video and confirm's the Mirror's story.

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Russia's nuclear torpedo plan to bypass Nato missile shield revealed after broadcaster forgets to blur out secret document
The report was about a conference discussing Russia's ability to strike if a proposed Nato missile defence shield - which could shoot incoming nukes out of the sky - is implemented


A Russian TV news station forgot to blur out a top secret document - accidentally leaking a secret plan to bypass Nato's missile shield using NUCLEAR TORPEDOES.

The report was about a conference of army commanders and president Vladimir Putin about Russia's ability to strike if a proposed Nato missile defence shield - which could shoot incoming nukes out of the sky - is implemented.

The document, titled 'Ocean Multipurpose System: Status-6', outlined a nuclear submarine weapons system that could bypass the high tech shield and cause apocalyptic damage to coastal regions.

However, the report may have been linked on purpose as a show of strength by the Kremlin.

Interestingly, other documents in the broadcast are blurred out by the TV station.
Russia's nuclear torpedo plan to bypass Nato missile shield revealed after broadcaster forgets to blur out secret document - Mirror Online
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I had long thought a nuclear armed missile firing submarine could get close to an enemy's shore and do a sub-sea launch minimizing the possibility of being brought down by a missile defense system.

I think the nuke torpedoes would be more a terrorist type threat or a danger to naval bases than even being able to devastate Washington.

Would a nuke hit on any coastal city really hurt the military infrastructure of the US? And the bulk of the US MAD capability is well inland.

Edit: This was posted for discussion, not as a claim to any kind of military or strategic expertise.

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Nuclear armed cruise missiles, with limited range, are the way to avoid ballistic missile shoot-down capability. Nothing new as far as that goes. They have small warheads, naturally, but still nuclear.


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No, it is news, not breaking news, but news. Forget the New Russia. All hail the New Tsar!!

It's Putin trolling, lots of different lures. Since Crimea, the width and depth of anti-West propaganda have grown enormously.
I don't know. We sure have a lot of money for CIA moves in the world that no one accounts for at all. Maybe he has a valid point?
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Putin could probably not survive without blaming the West for his poor decisions. I'm not surprised at all actually.
Actually isn't it all Bush's fault?
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