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View Poll Results: Will the EU survive without England?
EU will survive 2 20.00%
EU will evenutally cease to exist 8 80.00%
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 04:02 PM   #21
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I don't know much about the EU and how it operated. However, it seems to have been an attempt for those nations to form a mock US...nations being substituted for states.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 06:27 PM   #22
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I don't know much about the EU and how it operated. However, it seems to have been an attempt for those nations to form a mock US...nations being substituted for states.
publicly, officially, the idea of the EU was to prevent wars. everyone remembered WW1 and WW2 and wanted to bring the warring parties together and ensure it didnt happen again. the eurozone worked to do this, but they went too far and united their currencies with the euro. this has been a disaster and the euro is ruining europe.

privately, unofficially, there were some politicians who wanted a "united states of europe", or what is sometimes called european federalism. people with this ideology seem to dominate among european politicians but it isnt a popular position among european citizens.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 06:38 PM   #23
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I know maybe some countries will follow England if it leaves, but will the EU collapse completely, cease to exist?
Total collapse of the European Union is imminent and on the horizon.
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Old November 24th, 2016, 08:06 AM   #24
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Yes, but that isn't what you were saying above.

I must not have explained if correctly then...soreee. The bottom line is that without the Leave voters in Scotland and Ulster Brexit would not have won and we would still be in the EU.
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From a local politician to a local newspaper. Maybe this explains it better.

A BRIGHT FUTURE AFTER BREXIT

It is astonishing to witness the hysterical recation of the Remainers four weeks after the vote to leave the EU. It is also sickening too that some politicians here and in Scotland seem determined to de-legitimise Ulster and Scottish people who voted Leave because there were Remain majorities in the two countries.

The Remain camp are sore that their predictions of 80% of people here voting to stay were dashed with only 56% voting Remain despite their fear-mongering about security and customs posts causing tailbacks at the border. World War III starting, the pound collapsing, pensions being lost, ports shutting, economic collapse, emergency budgets and all the rest of the rubbish they peddled.

The 56% did not vote Remain because of a love for the EU but out of fear. The doom and gloom stay merchants have been wrong with the pound and markets stable and all political parties in the British Isles signed up to retain borderless travel though the British Isles and expanding global economies queuing up to get trade agreements with the UK.

I have no fear of referendums on the back of Brexit because I am certain that Northern Irish and Scots would vote to maintain the UK. Why would we leave a growing and dynamic nation where local politicians will soon have real power to evoke positive change and go into the failing EU super-state and be subservient to the dictates of unaccountable Brussels ?

The total Ulster and Scotland Leave vote was 1,367,764 with the overall UK-wide Leave majority being 1,269,501. Without the Ulster-Scotland Leave vote Brexit would not have happened.

The pro-EU lobbyists must now accept that UK national self-determination will be reality and join with those of us who worked to achieve Brexit to get the best outcome for all our people. We need to ensure that getting control of our fishing grounds and territorial waters is a red line issue and get a domestic agricultural support policy in place that suits our farmers and not the whims of Brussels.

We must ensure that our business community get a fair share of the inward investment that will flow from new worldwide trade deals. I must also be acknowledged that a devolved Ulster within an independent UK will have far more power to bring about change than our friends and neighbours in the Republic who will remain shackled to the EU.

I as a democratically elected representative recognise that not all people share my views on Brexit but I ask people to be confident and look forward to a bright future for all our people be they Protestant, Catholic or other
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Old November 24th, 2016, 09:11 AM   #26
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From a local politician to a local newspaper. Maybe this explains it better.

A BRIGHT FUTURE AFTER BREXIT

It is astonishing to witness the hysterical recation of the Remainers four weeks after the vote to leave the EU. It is also sickening too that some politicians here and in Scotland seem determined to de-legitimise Ulster and Scottish people who voted Leave because there were Remain majorities in the two countries.

The Remain camp are sore that their predictions of 80% of people here voting to stay were dashed with only 56% voting Remain despite their fear-mongering about security and customs posts causing tailbacks at the border. World War III starting, the pound collapsing, pensions being lost, ports shutting, economic collapse, emergency budgets and all the rest of the rubbish they peddled.

The 56% did not vote Remain because of a love for the EU but out of fear. The doom and gloom stay merchants have been wrong with the pound and markets stable and all political parties in the British Isles signed up to retain borderless travel though the British Isles and expanding global economies queuing up to get trade agreements with the UK.

I have no fear of referendums on the back of Brexit because I am certain that Northern Irish and Scots would vote to maintain the UK. Why would we leave a growing and dynamic nation where local politicians will soon have real power to evoke positive change and go into the failing EU super-state and be subservient to the dictates of unaccountable Brussels ?

The total Ulster and Scotland Leave vote was 1,367,764 with the overall UK-wide Leave majority being 1,269,501. Without the Ulster-Scotland Leave vote Brexit would not have happened.

The pro-EU lobbyists must now accept that UK national self-determination will be reality and join with those of us who worked to achieve Brexit to get the best outcome for all our people. We need to ensure that getting control of our fishing grounds and territorial waters is a red line issue and get a domestic agricultural support policy in place that suits our farmers and not the whims of Brussels.

We must ensure that our business community get a fair share of the inward investment that will flow from new worldwide trade deals. I must also be acknowledged that a devolved Ulster within an independent UK will have far more power to bring about change than our friends and neighbours in the Republic who will remain shackled to the EU.

I as a democratically elected representative recognise that not all people share my views on Brexit but I ask people to be confident and look forward to a bright future for all our people be they Protestant, Catholic or other
But that analysis is completely wrong because, as I said before, they are looking at the impact the leave vote in Scotland and Ulster had in a vacuum. You can't take their effect into account without also including the effect of the stay vote. That stay vote caused an overall stay majority.
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Old November 24th, 2016, 12:07 PM   #27
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But that analysis is completely wrong because, as I said before, they are looking at the impact the leave vote in Scotland and Ulster had in a vacuum. You can't take their effect into account without also including the effect of the stay vote. That stay vote caused an overall stay majority.
But not in the UK and that's what counted. It was the UK as a whole which voted to leave. It was a UK wide poll. The UK was a member of the EU..not Scotland and Ulster on their own.
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But not in the UK and that's what counted. It was the UK as a whole which voted to leave. It was a UK wide poll. The UK was a member of the EU..not Scotland and Ulster on their own.
The overall total vote was to leave. A majority of voters for the entire UK voted to leave or it wouldn't be happening.

Leave - 17,410,742 VOTES, Stay - 16,141,241 VOTES.

Those numbers are for the whole UK. More leave than stay votes.

EU Referendum Results - BBC News
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Old November 24th, 2016, 01:10 PM   #29
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The overall total vote was to leave. A majority of voters for the entire UK voted to leave or it wouldn't be happening.

Leave - 17,410,742 VOTES, Stay - 16,141,241 VOTES.

Those numbers are for the whole UK. More leave than stay votes.

EU Referendum Results - BBC News
Aye, that right
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