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Old March 15th, 2017, 07:24 PM   #1
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Dutch PM Rutte, Wilders, Klaver react to Netherlands election results

"What a night it seems to be," Netherlands Prime Minister Mark Rutte said to begin his election victory speech Wednesday night. "For the third time in a row the VVD is the largest party in the national elections," he added.

"It is also a night wherein the Netherlands, after Brexit, after Trump, has said 'no" to populism," he said. He praised the massive voter turnout of over 81 percent, a stark contrast to the comparatively low turnout in the UK for the Brexit referendum and in the U.S. for the 2016 general election there.

Rutte congratulated his VVD party, taking the stage around 11:15 p.m. on Wednesday at the World Train Center - The Hague. Strolling down an escalator to Mark Ronson's hit song "Uptown Funk," Rutte appeared to a cheering throng of people, perhaps the largest election party in the Netherlands following the 2017 general election.

He was also appeared contrite when speaking of his political colleagues in the Labour party, current leader and Deputy Prime MInister Lodewijk Asscher and former leader Diederick Samsom. "We had started this adventure four-and-a-half years ago, and it is with the Labour party that we managed to pass policies of economic recovery."

The anti-Islam leader of nationalist party PVV, Geert Wilders, reacted positively towards exit poll results despite performing poorer than earlier surveys projected. "Thanks, PVV voters! We've won seats!" he proclaimed on Twitter, following it up with a jab at the Prime Minister and his VVD party.

"And Rutte is nowhere near escaping me," he added. Wilders' party gained four seats in the Lower House of Parliament to 19, the culmination of a steady drop in support that began with the arrival of the new year. At that point, he was still projected to win as many as 35 seats. Still, the VVD faced the second biggest loss of the evening, losing ten of its 41 seats while still keeping the title of the country's largest party.

Jesse Klaver, the 30-year-old leader of the GroenLinks Party, was overwhelmed at his campaign-ending festivities, having won his party 16 seats, an increase of 12 over the last election. "What a special campaign we have run," he said, adding that he too is extremely happy with Wednesday's turnout. After thanking several people, he brought his wife Jolein to the stage, saying, "If there is any one person who I owe everything, it is my dear Jolein," he stated. The two shared a kiss, and Klaver promptly took a breath, and wiped away a tear before continuing.
Read the rest of the story: Dutch PM Rutte, Wilders, Klaver react to Netherlands election results | NL Times
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they are still counting, so final numbers are not known. but his party is likely to be the equal second largest party in parliament, having won more seats than last time. they are stronger than they were before the election.
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they are still counting, so final numbers are not known. but his party is likely to be the equal second largest party in parliament, having won more seats than last time. they are stronger than they were before the election.
Geert Wilders concedes defeat in Dutch elections
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Geert Wilder, a far-right politician known for his anti-Islam views, has conceded defeat in parliamentary elections in The Netherlands.
no, he hasnt. the counting isnt finished yet. geert has thanked the electorate for INCREASING the number of votes and seats they hold in the new parliament. nobody has conceded or accepted anything yet.

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His party had been leading in opinion polls as recently as last week.
no, his party was always polling about equal to the VVD.

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The centre-right VVD party, led by current prime minister Mark Rutte, is expected to be the largest party in the forthcoming government.
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Coalition talks between four centrist parties are expected to begin in the coming days.
no, coalition talks between right wing, left wing and centrist parties are expected to begin. apparently it always takes many weeks for the netherlands to resolve an election.

what crap journalism. this short article makes 4 points, and 3 of them are wrong.
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the media has presented this election as if it was a presidential type election between geert and rutte. as if one of them was going to 'win' and lead the country, and the other was going to 'lose' and disappear. actually, at this point in time, both have won, and neither have lost. both now lead a party with a large number of seats in parliament (geerts party has more seats than they used to, rutte has less). but neither are able to form government. i read this is always the case in the netherlands, there will be a long process of negotiation between all the parties present in parliament and someone will cobble together a workable coalition government. it will probably be rutte as prime minister, but that isnt known yet and wont be known for weeks. geert will be in parliament but not in government, commanding probably 19 or more seats, and he will be a voice that will continue to be heard.

we should listen to him because he is one of the few people who actually talks about a problem everyone else ignores or lies about. i think his solutions are too extreme, but that he addresses it at all is what matters.
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That was an Al Jazeera story.....

Anyway, The most recent news I can find is abut 5 hours old, and "about half" of the votes had been counted. Now that seems weird to me.
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That was an Al Jazeera story.....

Anyway, The most recent news I can find is abut 5 hours old, and "about half" of the votes had been counted. Now that seems weird to me.
The BBC is quoting results with "more than 90% of the vote counted" and the results are very close to the ones in the OP.



In the Netherlands, it is purely a proportional system, that is seats are awarded based on the percentage of votes a party gets according to the BBC.

Dutch election: PM Rutte celebrates 'rejection of populism' - BBC News
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the media has presented this election as if it was a presidential type election between geert and rutte. as if one of them was going to 'win' and lead the country, and the other was going to 'lose' and disappear. actually, at this point in time, both have won, and neither have lost. both now lead a party with a large number of seats in parliament (geerts party has more seats than they used to, rutte has less). but neither are able to form government. i read this is always the case in the netherlands, there will be a long process of negotiation between all the parties present in parliament and someone will cobble together a workable coalition government. it will probably be rutte as prime minister, but that isnt known yet and wont be known for weeks. geert will be in parliament but not in government, commanding probably 19 or more seats, and he will be a voice that will continue to be heard.

we should listen to him because he is one of the few people who actually talks about a problem everyone else ignores or lies about. i think his solutions are too extreme, but that he addresses it at all is what matters.
Extreme solutions are problematic. The EU should rewrite their guilted immigration policies. Seriously, without problematic solutions, much of Europe's goose is cooked anyway. Iow, it's too late for anything civil to be done about the non-assimilating Muslims living on European soil.

People like Geert are scary to a lot of people. Geert is scary to me but for the reasons mentioned above. When I put my mind to it, and of course I've done this many times, I don't see any easy way out for Europe. None of the non-assimilating Muslims will agree to leave, and millions upon millions of them are currently living on European soil and sucking the teat of the particular country they are occupying.

And occupying is a proper descriptor of what they are doing. It's slow motion invasion with an offspring time bomb.

It doesn't even feel right in the center of my heart to speak this way, but the reality is the reality. One may always hold hope for the future, and should. However the situation in some parts of Western Europe is dire, bloodshed seeming inevitable. Damn.
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Extreme solutions are problematic. The EU should rewrite their guilted immigration policies. Seriously, without problematic solutions, much of Europe's goose is cooked anyway. Iow, it's too late for anything civil to be done about the non-assimilating Muslims living on European soil.

People like Geert are scary to a lot of people. Geert is scary to me but for the reasons mentioned above. When I put my mind to it, and of course I've done this many times, I don't see any easy way out for Europe. None of the non-assimilating Muslims will agree to leave, and millions upon millions of them are currently living on European soil and sucking the teat of the particular country they are occupying.

And occupying is a proper descriptor of what they are doing. It's slow motion invasion with an offspring time bomb.

It doesn't even feel right in the center of my heart to speak this way, but the reality is the reality. One may always hold hope for the future, and should. However the situation in some parts of Western Europe is dire, bloodshed seeming inevitable. Damn.
i know, i cant see a way out for them either. it might be ruthless economics that intervenes in the end. the eurozone is an economic disaster area, it cannot survive in its current form, its going to break apart at some point, and the cost is going to be staggering. all european economies will need to cut spending, it might be they will just send any non citizen home, they will not have a choice, they will just not be able to afford them any more. of course if that happens, some will go peacefully, but some will fight.
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i know, i cant see a way out for them either. it might be ruthless economics that intervenes in the end. the eurozone is an economic disaster area, it cannot survive in its current form, its going to break apart at some point, and the cost is going to be staggering. all european economies will need to cut spending, it might be they will just send any non citizen home, they will not have a choice, they will just not be able to afford them any more. of course if that happens, some will go peacefully, but some will fight.
Indeed they will. Then there's the question of where to take them. What's to be done with a shipload of central Africans? Drop 'em off in Libya and say, "Enjoy the walk?" If the local authorities object, do you tell them to get out of the way and STFU?
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