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Old March 25th, 2017, 08:53 AM   #11
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Senhor- coke is this a criticism of you or is it a compliment ?, this topic has to do with the Pope.

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My understanding of the South American Portuguese/Spanish split is as follows from my grade 11 history teacher.

Shortly after the discovery (by Europe) of the Americas, Spain and Portugal were roughly equal in exploration and exploitation efforts and were constantly in dispute over who had what and so on. It teetered on war between the two most wealthy and powerful catholic countries at the time so the Pope decided to step in to make a peace settlement. He had a great idea, to roughly split South America equally between them so he said the dividing line would be the whatever line of longitude.

Both sides had agreed to this beforehand and unfortunately that Pope might have been good at diplomacy but was very poor at geography and the "equal split" screwed Portugal, big time.
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My understanding of the South American Portuguese/Spanish split is as follows from my grade 11 history teacher.

Shortly after the discovery (by Europe) of the Americas, Spain and Portugal were roughly equal in exploration and exploitation efforts and were constantly in dispute over who had what and so on. It teetered on war between the two most wealthy and powerful catholic countries at the time so the Pope decided to step in to make a peace settlement. He had a great idea, to roughly split South America equally between them so he said the dividing line would be the whatever line of longitude.

Both sides had agreed to this beforehand and unfortunately that Pope might have been good at diplomacy but was very poor at geography and the "equal split" screwed Portugal, big time.
Thanks but only a simplistic view. Don't feel like I am disparaging and only doing my best effort to counter your college educated ass about History. Harry Truman told me to study History and I did. Let's talk about Charlemagne aka Charles the Great.

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Treaty of Tordesilhas - 1494, summary, what was
What was, historical context, the division of land between Portugal and Spain in 1494, history

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Map of 1502 showing the line of the Treaty of Tordesillas
Map of 1502 showing the line of the Treaty of Tordesillas
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Historical Context Following the arrival of Christopher Columbus to America (1492), the Spanish court began to worry about legally protecting the lands discovered in America. The Spanish King sought Pope Alexander VI, who through the Bull Inter Coetera established the possession of all lands discovered 100 leagues west of Cape Verde to Spain. Through this document, Portugal would be without the possibility of having possession of territories in the newly discovered America. The established limit would also hamper Portuguese navigation in the Atlantic Ocean. As Portugal, like Spain, was a military and economic power of the time, to avoid conflicts, Spaniards and Portuguese decided to open negotiations for the establishment of a new treaty. This should contemplate the interests of both kingdoms in regard to the discovery, exploitation and colonization of the "new lands." What was The Treaty of Tordesillas was an agreement signed on June 4, 1494 between Portugal and Spain. It gained this name because it was signed in the Spanish city of Tordesilhas. The agreement was aimed at resolving territorial conflicts related to land discovered in the late fifteenth century. What established the Treaty of Tordesillas According to the Treaty of Tordesillas, an imaginary line 370 leagues from Cape Verde would serve as reference for the division of the lands between Portugal and Spain. The land to the west of this line remained to Spain, while the lands to the east were from Portugal. Treaty of MadridThe Treaty of Tordesilhas ceased to exist only in 1750, with the signing of the Treaty of Madrid, where the Portuguese and Spanish crowns established new limits Of territorial division for its colonies in South America. This agreement was aimed at ending the disputes between the two countries, since the Treaty of Tordesilhas had not been respected by both parties.
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Shortly after the arrival of Christopher Columbus to America (1492), the Spanish court began to worry about legally protecting the lands discovered in America. The Spanish King sought Pope Alexander VI, who through the Bull Inter Coetera established the possession of all lands discovered 100 leagues west of Cape Verde to Spain. Through this document, Portugal would be without the possibility of having possession of territories in the newly discovered America. The established limit would also hamper Portuguese navigation in the Atlantic Ocean.
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As Portugal, like Spain, was a military and economic power of the time, to avoid conflicts, Spaniards and Portuguese decided to open negotiations for the establishment of a new treaty. It should contemplate the interests of both kingdoms in regard to the discovery, exploration, and colonization of the "new lands."
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The Treaty of Tordesilhas was an agreement signed on June 4, 1494 between Portugal and Spain. It gained this name because it was signed in the Spanish city of Tordesilhas. The agreement was aimed at resolving territorial conflicts related to land discovered in the late fifteenth century.
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What established the Treaty of Tordesillas
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According to the Treaty of Tordesillas, an imaginary line at 370 leagues from Cape Verde would serve as a reference for the division of land between Portugal and Spain. The lands west of this line remained for Spain, while the lands to the east were of Portugal.
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Treaty of Madrid
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The Treaty of Tordesillas ceased to exist only in 1750, with the signing of the Treaty of Madrid, where the Portuguese and Spanish crowns established new limits of territorial division for their colonies in South America. This agreement was aimed at putting an end to the disputes between the two countries , Since the Treaty of Tordesillas had not been respected by both parties. »» Nationality Pope Alexander VI Spanish.

Name of birth Rodrigo Borgia
Birth January 1, 1431
Xàtiva, Valencia, Spain
Election August 11, 1492
Enthronement August 26, 1492
End of the pontificate August 18, 1503 (11 years)
Death August 18, 1503 (72 years)
Rome Italy
Innocent VIII Predecessor
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Mateus rosé good wine, I like it when I was going to work for europe countries it was mateus rosé that I bought in supermarkets in germany italia sweden holland france yes I worked in this countries portuguese company.


A mateus rose bottle one costs 3.80 euros
Mateus Rosé is sold in 125 countries

This photo of the bottle is similar to the Portuguese guitar to sing music Fado Português
Wine mateus rose is from the north portugal Douro river mountains still make this wine, friend the wine in portugal can not end, in every house of the Portuguese always has wine yes it is true.
Thanks for the pic but I can't taste it and makes my mouth water.
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DOURO: HOUSE OF MATEUS - DOURO: CASA DE MATEUS

Portugal sells lots of wine to united states of america porto wine mature table wine mature red wine mature white mateus rosé and portugal has the green wines in europe or maybe all over the world is it has white wine vinho verde red wine tods this wines Is to drink with the lunches and dinners the white green wine is more to accompany with food made with fish eg codfish etc. Friend the French wine and good and has fame the Portuguese wine has no fame and it is better than the French I already drank good French wines from bordeux before I prefer a good white wine alvarinho brand is my opinion then we have the famous port wine That the English like.
Friend drink a glass of green white wine fresh has the coffey cookies


With so much wine here soon the staff will have headaches and it is my fault hehehe friends who will drink wine portugues am I already thirsty enough talking here with you, do not forget when you visit portugal there is wine with Plenty of money to buy it
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Back in my university days, Portuguese wines were a wonderful combination of cheap and really, really good. Many a great Friday night turned into a horrible Saturday morning because of them.

Unfortunately market forces or the profit motive, or international monetary exchange rates have eliminated the cheap part, at least here in Canada. Not saying they are expensive, but market average now.
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In the photo has the bridge Dom Luis the boats with the kites of the port port name of the river - river douro port city.
Yes maybe portuguese wines are expensive derived from transport and customs.
Port wine with 155 years for sale for 2500 euros.
PORT WINE
1, 2, 3, sold! English buys Port wine with 200 years for 6.75 thousand euros
7/5/2015, 23: 151.774
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He is passionate about Port wine and this Thursday took home a Ferreira of 1815 for 6.75 thousand euros, which reverted to the association of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. It is a record value.
Friend if I were Christian ronaldo I bought as I am not even the smell of this wine I have right. It's wine only for capitalists.


This is the bottle that was sold to an Englishman for 6.75 thousand euros
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Oh yeah, the Pope most definitely had everything to do with that.
Actually, to resolve the dispute between Spain and Portugal, two Catholic countries, the Pope drew a line on the map(actually he selected a longitude), everything to the east belonged to Portugal, everything to the west was Spain's.
That's how it started, and Brazil ended up with everything that was drained by the Amazon.

There was no really good map that showed what was actually there, and the Pope was trying to be fair, actually some think he was trying to favor Portugal by giving them the near portion of the New World.
But it all worked out, and now we have Samba....
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Samba in Brazil Capoeira in Portugal Capoeira photo is for chickens

Capoeira is also martial art. Lambada is the name of Brazilian music.
Lambada has the word "violence".That say it is better to continue with samba or better to continue talking about portugal
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