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Old April 6th, 2017, 01:49 AM   #1
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History Olivença

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The town of Olivenza, in front of Juromenha and 12 km from the Guadiana, was conquered from the Moors by D. Afonso Henriques. The expansionism of the kingdom of Castile threatened this just the presence of the Portuguese in place. The matter was settled by the Treaty of Alcanises, in 1297.

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Sensing danger, which ran on the side of Castile, King Dinis populate it and fortified it with its towering castle and outer wall (129.

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In the face of new threats, D. Afonso V (1438-81), sent to repair its walls and expand the surrounding walls. The increase of its population made imperative this measure.

John II granted him a coat of arms, and ordered the construction of the keep in the center of the castle (148. The reign of King Manuel (1495-1521), was rebuilt the whole village defense structure, constructing a bridge over the Guadiana, allowing a better connection with Elvas.

The training that occurred but the Kingdom of Spain (1492) went on to be a heightened threat. Your religious fanaticism, coupled with a boundless cruelty has come to represent a threat to Europe, not only for Portugal.

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After the restoration of independence of Portugal from Spain domain (1580-1640), Olivenza happens to be at the center of the incursions of the bloody Spanish army, which abounded foreign mercenaries. The population of Olivenza is several times victims of massacres and looting, but resists. Its walls are reinforced under the Matias de Albuquerque direction. These works were borne by the very people of Olivenza.

During 16 years, the Spaniards tried to take the village: Among the Spanish torturers who commanded these advances are recorded the Marquis of Toral (1641), Marquis of Leganés (1645), the mercenary and Flemish Jesuit Cosmander (164. All these attempts were unsuccessful. In 1657, the Italian mercenary to the service of Spain, the Duke of San Germano, in front of 8,000 men had greater success and took the village. Ten years later, the Spaniards back out of what had been assenhorado under the command of a mercenary. Olivenza returned to belong to Portugal.

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Since the twelfth century until 1801, Olivenza was one of the main villages of border Portugal. Thousands of its inhabitants for generations died for Portugal, their land, culture and identity. The history of Portugal is inextricably linked to Olivenza and this in Portugal. This is a fact.

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Resistance
.

The town of Olivenza, in front of Juromenha and 12 km from the Guadiana, was conquered from the Moors by D. Afonso Henriques. The expansionism of the kingdom of Castile threatened this just the presence of the Portuguese in place. The matter was settled by the Treaty of Alcanises, in 1297.

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Sensing danger, which ran on the side of Castile, King Dinis populate it and fortified it with its towering castle and outer wall (129.

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*
In the face of new threats, D. Afonso V (1438-81), sent to repair its walls and expand the surrounding walls. The increase of its population made imperative this measure.

John II granted him a coat of arms, and ordered the construction of the keep in the center of the castle (148. The reign of King Manuel (1495-1521), was rebuilt the whole village defense structure, constructing a bridge over the Guadiana, allowing a better connection with Elvas.

The training that occurred but the Kingdom of Spain (1492) went on to be a heightened threat. Your religious fanaticism, coupled with a boundless cruelty has come to represent a threat to Europe, not only for Portugal.

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After the restoration of independence of Portugal from Spain domain (1580-1640), Olivenza happens to be at the center of the incursions of the bloody Spanish army, which abounded foreign mercenaries. The population of Olivenza is several times victims of massacres and looting, but resists. Its walls are reinforced under the Matias de Albuquerque direction. These works were borne by the very people of Olivenza.

During 16 years, the Spaniards tried to take the village: Among the Spanish torturers who commanded these advances are recorded the Marquis of Toral (1641), Marquis of Leganés (1645), the mercenary and Flemish Jesuit Cosmander (164. All these attempts were unsuccessful. In 1657, the Italian mercenary to the service of Spain, the Duke of San Germano, in front of 8,000 men had greater success and took the village. Ten years later, the Spaniards back out of what had been assenhorado under the command of a mercenary. Olivenza returned to belong to Portugal.

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Since the twelfth century until 1801, Olivenza was one of the main villages of border Portugal. Thousands of its inhabitants for generations died for Portugal, their land, culture and identity. The history of Portugal is inextricably linked to Olivenza and this in Portugal. This is a fact.

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Portugal map with the location of Olivenza and Portuguese territories usurped by Spain in 1801
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Since Spain usurped land from Portugal get your gun belt on and take it back. Mes nombre es Roberto.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 04:31 AM   #3
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Since Spain usurped land from Portugal get your gun belt on and take it back. Mes nombre es Roberto.
No friend, Twister, do not go there, I know there are Spanish members here and I'm sure I should not be the only Portuguese who walks here in this beautiful forum.
What the friend says, was to return to the time of the sword, although today's wars are made with more heavily armored weapons, I do not go around because wars only bring misfortune and hatred, for example today Portugal and Spain are at war not It matters who won the war, you can not imagine the hatred that was to be seen with the two peoples, see the case of Yugoslavia, the hatred that exists in these peoples with different languages and different religions, as in Spain one religion with several Latin languages happens which Keep together has to do with religion Passing by on Olivenza, I find it strange from Spain to ask for the return of Gibraltar to Spain, so 300 years ago Spain offered Gibraltar to England and is now asking for a return, as was the house of Macao that was offered to Portugal And then china asked macau to Portugal, in my point of view I do not think correct Macao even today should be Portuguese territory and not Chinese, about the spain if Gibralta to spain then the spain that delivered Olivença to Portugal that delivered territories in the north Of Africa that belongs to Morocco as Ceuta etc. etc. Now as the friend thinks yes I know that England is a power in armament of war now Spain and Portugal the two together we are two poor countries friend I say the truth, In my point of view wars in the Iberian peninsula not if there is in the peninsula Iberian Portugal is in favor of england because portugal and england have the oldest alliance in the world in case the two countries go to war, for wars to be avoided the best is to solve the problems via dialgo with this I mean that spain Do not forget that it has Portuguese territory occupied by them with the help of the French in which this territory is Portuguese conquered by the first king of Portugal D.Afonso Henriques to the Muslims.Twister friend, I'm glad you're interested in my posts, on the history of my country. Hug
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Olivença is Portuguese since the Treaty of Alcañices (1297). Please read about the War of the Oranges.
https://www.britannica.com/event/War-of-the-Oranges
Here is the chronology of the events from 1801 and forward:
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1801
29 January 1801 – France, allied to Spain, demands Portugal, British ally since the Anglo-Portuguese Treaty of 1373, to enter into an alliance with France in the war against Britain. Portugal refuses.
27 February 1801 – The brief War of the Oranges begins, with the French troops marching on Portugal, later followed by Spanish troops.
20 May 1801 – Spanish troops occupy, among other towns, Olivenza.[8]
6 June 1801 – The war is over with the simultaneous signing of two treaties in Badajoz, Spain, the first between France and Portugal, and the second between Spain and Portugal. As both treaties mention each other and share common clauses, they are frequently referred to as just the Treaty of Badajoz. Under one of the terms of the Treaty, Spain gives back all the occupied towns except those on the left bank of the Guadiana river (the territory of Olivenza),[8] which are ceded by Portugal to Spain, including its inhabitants, on a 'perpetual' basis. The Treaty also stipulates that the breach of any of its articles leads to its cancellation.[9]
29 September 1801 – The treaty is signed again, this time in Madrid, with slight modifications demanded by France, but not affecting the stipulated for Olivenza.[8]
1805
26 January 1805 – The Portuguese currency is forbidden.
20 February 1805 – Teaching in Portuguese is forbidden.
14 August 1805 – Adoption of the Spanish language in city hall documents.
1807
October – Treaty of Fontainebleau (1807) between Spain and France dividing Portugal and all Portuguese dominions between them.
November – French and Spanish troops again march over Portugal, in the Peninsular War.
1808
John, Prince Regent of Portugal, repudiates the Treaty of Badajoz claiming that the ongoing war abrogated the peace terms of the treaty.[9]
July 1809 – Portugal presents to the Junta Central, in Seville, an official order of restitution of the territory of Olivenza.
1810
19 February 1810 – Treaty of alliance and friendship between Portugal and Britain, whereby Great Britain pledges to help Portugal to regain possession of Olivenza, in turn receiving the exploration of the Portuguese establishments of Bissau and Cacheu for a period of 50 years.
Portugal starts negotiating a treaty with the Regency Council of Spain, whereby Olivenza should be given back to Portugal.
1811
March – French general Soult takes Olivenza.[8]
15 April 1811 – Beresford, a British marshall with the rank of Head General of the Portuguese Army, briefly retakes Olivenza.[8]
1813
19 May 1813 – The remaining Portuguese language private schools are closed by the Spanish authorities.
1814
30 May 1814 – The Treaty of Paris between France and the allied countries (including Portugal) includes a provision declaring the 1801 treaties of Badajoz and Madrid null and void. Spain is not a part of this agreement.
1815
9 June 1815 – The Portuguese delegation to the Congress of Vienna, led by Pedro de Sousa Holstein, succeeds in including article 105 in the Final Act (aka the Treaty of Vienna), stating that the winning countries are to endeavour with the mightiest conciliatory effort to return Olivenza to Portuguese authority. The Spanish representative to the Congress, Pedro Gomes Labrador, refuses to sign the Treaty, registering a protest against several of the Congress resolutions, including article 105.
27 October 1815 – Expecting the quick restitution of Olivenza, Prince Regent John nominates José Luiz de Sousa as Plenipotentiary.
29 January 1817 – Portugal occupies Uruguay due to rebel threats against Brasil.
7 May 1817 – Spain finally signs the Treaty of Vienna, since, in the Spanish interpretation, the text is not mandatory on demanding Spain to return Olivenza to Portugal. However, the text clearly states that all the signatary winning powers promise to take all efforts to make sure that Olivenza is returned to Portugal.
1818–1819 – Spain and Portugal, with the mediation of France, England, Russia and Austria, negotiate in the Conference of Paris toward a peaceful restitution of Uruguay to Spain. Spain accepts the terms of an agreement proposed by the mediators but due to internal problems and the Liberal Revolution in 1820, actions never took place.
7 November 1820 – Spanish authorities forbade the use of private teaching in Portuguese.
1821 – Portugal annexes Uruguay. In reaction, Spain withdraws from the Olivenza talks.
1840 – The Portuguese language is forbidden in the territory of Olivenza, including inside churches.
1850 – The village of Táliga is separated to form its own municipality.
1858 – Isabel II of Spain grants the title of City (Ciudad) to Olivenza.
29 September 1864 – The Treaty of Lisbon (1864) between Portugal and Spain is signed, demarcating the border from the estuary of the Minho river, on the far North, to the confluence of the Caya River with the Guadiana river, just north of Olivenza. The demarcation of the border is not pursued further because of the situation of Olivenza.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivenza

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Olivença is Portuguese since the Treaty of Alcañices (1297). Please read about the War of the Oranges.
https://www.britannica.com/event/War-of-the-Oranges
Here is the chronology of the events from 1801 and forward:
..................................................
1801
29 January 1801 – France, allied to Spain, demands Portugal, British ally since the Anglo-Portuguese Treaty of 1373, to enter into an alliance with France in the war against Britain. Portugal refuses.
27 February 1801 – The brief War of the Oranges begins, with the French troops marching on Portugal, later followed by Spanish troops.
20 May 1801 – Spanish troops occupy, among other towns, Olivenza.[8]
6 June 1801 – The war is over with the simultaneous signing of two treaties in Badajoz, Spain, the first between France and Portugal, and the second between Spain and Portugal. As both treaties mention each other and share common clauses, they are frequently referred to as just the Treaty of Badajoz. Under one of the terms of the Treaty, Spain gives back all the occupied towns except those on the left bank of the Guadiana river (the territory of Olivenza),[8] which are ceded by Portugal to Spain, including its inhabitants, on a 'perpetual' basis. The Treaty also stipulates that the breach of any of its articles leads to its cancellation.[9]
29 September 1801 – The treaty is signed again, this time in Madrid, with slight modifications demanded by France, but not affecting the stipulated for Olivenza.[8]
1805
26 January 1805 – The Portuguese currency is forbidden.
20 February 1805 – Teaching in Portuguese is forbidden.
14 August 1805 – Adoption of the Spanish language in city hall documents.
1807
October – Treaty of Fontainebleau (1807) between Spain and France dividing Portugal and all Portuguese dominions between them.
November – French and Spanish troops again march over Portugal, in the Peninsular War.
1808
John, Prince Regent of Portugal, repudiates the Treaty of Badajoz claiming that the ongoing war abrogated the peace terms of the treaty.[9]
July 1809 – Portugal presents to the Junta Central, in Seville, an official order of restitution of the territory of Olivenza.
1810
19 February 1810 – Treaty of alliance and friendship between Portugal and Britain, whereby Great Britain pledges to help Portugal to regain possession of Olivenza, in turn receiving the exploration of the Portuguese establishments of Bissau and Cacheu for a period of 50 years.
Portugal starts negotiating a treaty with the Regency Council of Spain, whereby Olivenza should be given back to Portugal.
1811
March – French general Soult takes Olivenza.[8]
15 April 1811 – Beresford, a British marshall with the rank of Head General of the Portuguese Army, briefly retakes Olivenza.[8]
1813
19 May 1813 – The remaining Portuguese language private schools are closed by the Spanish authorities.
1814
30 May 1814 – The Treaty of Paris between France and the allied countries (including Portugal) includes a provision declaring the 1801 treaties of Badajoz and Madrid null and void. Spain is not a part of this agreement.
1815
9 June 1815 – The Portuguese delegation to the Congress of Vienna, led by Pedro de Sousa Holstein, succeeds in including article 105 in the Final Act (aka the Treaty of Vienna), stating that the winning countries are to endeavour with the mightiest conciliatory effort to return Olivenza to Portuguese authority. The Spanish representative to the Congress, Pedro Gomes Labrador, refuses to sign the Treaty, registering a protest against several of the Congress resolutions, including article 105.
27 October 1815 – Expecting the quick restitution of Olivenza, Prince Regent John nominates José Luiz de Sousa as Plenipotentiary.
29 January 1817 – Portugal occupies Uruguay due to rebel threats against Brasil.
7 May 1817 – Spain finally signs the Treaty of Vienna, since, in the Spanish interpretation, the text is not mandatory on demanding Spain to return Olivenza to Portugal. However, the text clearly states that all the signatary winning powers promise to take all efforts to make sure that Olivenza is returned to Portugal.
1818–1819 – Spain and Portugal, with the mediation of France, England, Russia and Austria, negotiate in the Conference of Paris toward a peaceful restitution of Uruguay to Spain. Spain accepts the terms of an agreement proposed by the mediators but due to internal problems and the Liberal Revolution in 1820, actions never took place.
7 November 1820 – Spanish authorities forbade the use of private teaching in Portuguese.
1821 – Portugal annexes Uruguay. In reaction, Spain withdraws from the Olivenza talks.
1840 – The Portuguese language is forbidden in the territory of Olivenza, including inside churches.
1850 – The village of Táliga is separated to form its own municipality.
1858 – Isabel II of Spain grants the title of City (Ciudad) to Olivenza.
29 September 1864 – The Treaty of Lisbon (1864) between Portugal and Spain is signed, demarcating the border from the estuary of the Minho river, on the far North, to the confluence of the Caya River with the Guadiana river, just north of Olivenza. The demarcation of the border is not pursued further because of the situation of Olivenza.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivenza

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Portuguese and Spanish are both Romance languages. Rio means river in Portugal and Spain. Does Portugal use a tilde?

edit: When speaking proper Spanish one has to twirl the r's. My first name is Robert and I have to say Rrroberrrrto. Do you twirl your r's. Just asking.

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Avlis, do you travel to Spain?
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hello Jimmyb.
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Why do you ask me this question?
Friend yes I have traveled a few times to Spain but I do not know Spain what I knew was all the Spaniards to understand each other who speak the Castilian language I was already IN THE BASQUE COUNTRY when I went to Germany in my car, Basque language I understood, I was already in Barcelona friend I also did not understand them I was already in MADRID Lingua Castilian the Portuguese understands a little if the Castilian speak slowly as they can understand the Portuguese when the Portuguese speak slowly, the best language that the Portuguese understands is the Galician language but attention not everything we understand from both sides. If I ask myself if I know the spain well I answer that no, friend I am Portuguese and I do not know my whole country, I have been in belgium germany denmark france sweden spain italy egypt city alexandria algeria morocco ceuta dakar abidjan nigeria angola mozambique etc Etc. What friend I know is roads houses and sea. I here in my city I live 1 km from the sea my vise grandparents my grandparents my father I am the son of fishermen men of the sea, I have been sailor boat Portuguese and Danish, what I know of the world is women and wine

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ditado português. Os homens não se medem aos palmos.
Portuguese dictation. The men do not measure themselves to the spans.
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You live .62 miles from the Atlantic Ocean. I hate metric but the Japanese use it so I have to use it. I am an old surf fisherman and caught Spanish Mackerel surf casting on the Outer Banks of North Carolina. The Portuguese Man of War was also there which is a stinging jellyfish that floats.
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Friend my house is 1000 meters from the sea.
I do not live at 62 nautical miles from the sea 62 nautical miles from a sea mile has 1852 meters x 62 = 114824 meters in kilometers gives 114 km and 824 meters
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A kilometer is 1000 meters
A sea mile is 1852 meters
One mile inland has 1600 meters
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um quilometro tem 1000 metros
uma milha maritima tem 1852 metros
uma milha terreste tem 1600 metros
In England and the United States, the United States uses the earthly mint, here we use the kilometer.
na inglaterra e nos estados unidos america usam a minlha terreste,aqui se usa o quilometro
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The Portuguese alphabet only has 23 letters.
Letter y w k does not exist in Portuguese.
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o abecedário português só tem 23 letras.
letras y w k não existe no português.
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portuguese quilo correct ( kilo error) (portuguese Carting correcto) (karting error)
kilo - karting correcto in english.
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senhor wando error correcto in english in portuguese error
senhor vando correct in portuhuese)
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Friend my house is 1000 meters from the sea.
I do not live at 62 nautical miles from the sea 62 nautical miles from a sea mile has 1852 meters x 62 = 114824 meters in kilometers gives 114 km and 824 meters
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A kilometer is 1000 meters
A sea mile is 1852 meters
One mile inland has 1600 meters
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um quilometro tem 1000 metros
uma milha maritima tem 1852 metros
uma milha terreste tem 1600 metros
In England and the United States, the United States uses the earthly mint, here we use the kilometer.
na inglaterra e nos estados unidos america usam a minlha terreste,aqui se usa o quilometro
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The Portuguese alphabet only has 23 letters.
Letter y w k does not exist in Portuguese.
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o abecedário português só tem 23 letras.
letras y w k não existe no português.
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portuguese quilo correct ( kilo error) (portuguese Carting correcto) (karting error)
kilo - karting correcto in english.
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senhor wando error correcto in english in portuguese error
senhor vando correct in portuhuese)
There are 2000 yards in a nautical mile and 1760 yards in a statute mile. One league equals 3 miles and one fathom equals 6 feet.
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