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Old May 13th, 2008, 12:35 PM   #61
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Yea, cause thats what I said. A 4 year old depends on his/her mother for food, shelter, clothing, ect ect litteraly cant live without these things.And according to you, because of that, you should have the choice to kill him/her, using the same logic.


Wow.



So, I guess all those 4 year olds that are adopted and/or in foster care better just give up the ghost, huh?
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Old May 13th, 2008, 01:45 PM   #62
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Wow.



So, I guess all those 4 year olds that are adopted and/or in foster care better just give up the ghost, huh?




Why? They have someone to do these things for them, thats the whole point, if they didnt have someone to do provide these things, they would die. In other words, they are just as much in need of total provision as a unborn baby. But then I think you knew what I was trying to say.
 
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Apples and oranges. Nice spin though. But lets use it. Who would have a better chance? A 4 year old, or a 20 year old? I say the 4 year old has zero chance.


yes, apples and oranges, just like comparing a 4 year old child to a 6 week old foetus.



plenty of 20 year olds would have zero chance. and some 4 year olds would survive, against the odds. but this is pretty much irrelevant anyway. the issue of being independent of others is not a good way of defining when human life begins.
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Old May 13th, 2008, 08:52 PM   #64
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The point relating to abortion is that a 4 year old cant survive independantly at all. Wether its the actual mother who cares for the child or someone else, a 4 year old is just as dependant as any stage before, even in the womb.


Grace, four year olds have nothing to do with abortion because they have been born, they are considered people under the law.



When a baby is born, it becomes independant from the mother, meaning it can survive without her. It needs care, obviously, but the point is that the child is no longer dependant on the bodily nutrients of another person to sustain it's life.

That is the point we are making here.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 08:26 AM   #65
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Yea, cause thats what I said. A 4 year old depends on his/her mother for food, shelter, clothing, ect ect litteraly cant live without these things.And according to you, because of that, you should have the choice to kill him/her, using the same logic.


So if the mother dies so does the 4 year old? No one else can care for it?





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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Sharon den Adel" data-cid="154136" data-time="1210387008"><span style="font-family:Arial;">My town recently got it's own abortion clinic within the hospital. This is something I am pleased about, as women will not have to drive long distances to Melbourne for their abortions. It also means it is easier for them to find their way home, rather than having someone drive to Melbourne to drive them home. The hospital takes care of them until they are able to leave.
<span style="font-family:Arial;">Obviously, there has been a lot of protest, morons holding signs with fake pictures on them outside the hospital, writting to the papers, bitching about all the baby killers, etc. I expect nothing less from these people, to be honest.

<span style="font-family:Arial;">Pro lifers are nothing more than bigots high on morals with no idea of what they are talking about. If they had any intelligence they would realise that.</blockquote>


Your last sentence is very contradictory. You say people who are pro-life are bigots.*


'A bigot:*a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong.' (Cambridge Dictionary)


Sooo if I understand, people who are pro-life AKA people who don't share your opinion don't have any intelligence. Well in theory that would make you a bigot since you don't accept others opinion on this matter.


Didn't mean to insult you but I couldn't let pass that
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Old December 18th, 2012, 11:39 AM   #67
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That post was from 2008 you know.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 11:57 AM   #68
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="waitingtables" data-cid="446421" data-time="1355859596">That post was from 2008 you know.</blockquote>


If the person decides to be online soon s/he will see it, but thank you. Funny contradictory arguments can't be left unsaid.
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About abortion I am not against or in favor,
First the belly belongs to the woman and they know it.
According to people who are against abortion I respect, but these people have to think about this, in order to accommodate abortions people have to have conditions at work that is fundamental etc.etc imagine a couple with two children the father and mother Unemployed, it is clear that they can not have the third child or the state of each country help these families.Who need help to avoid abortion.
I heard here talking about religion, yes I agree that the Catholic religion is against abortionI say again, if they want to end abortion then all the countries in the world deem conditions for women who abort what is work, health, education, etc. I know that it is difficult to do this, but that they fight to end abortions. Today's woman is only pregnant if she wants. This is my opinion.
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