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Old January 24th, 2009, 04:35 AM   #1
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No such thing as "gay marriage"

The anti-gays love to try and paint this as the granting of a "new" right called "gay marriage"



There is no such thing as "gay marriage"



There is marriage...period.



The question is should same sex couples have access to marriage.



Marriage, being a legal term, should not be denied to anyone as long as they are not breaking the law.



And since there is no law being broken by consenting adults engaging in homosexual activity, there is no reason for the state to deny them marriage.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 05:22 AM   #2
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The anti-gays love to try and paint this as the granting of a "new" right called "gay marriage"



There is no such thing as "gay marriage"



There is marriage...period.



The question is should same sex couples have access to marriage.



Marriage, being a legal term, should not be denied to anyone as long as they are not breaking the law.



And since there is no law being broken by consenting adults engaging in homosexual activity, there is no reason for the state to deny them marriage.
I agree, there is no such thing as "gay marriage", there correct way to say it is that there is no such thing as "same sex marriage". Since as anyone can enter an "opposite gender marriage", anyone would also be able to enter a "same gender marriage". It's just that no other union has any basis on anything but an anomalous dysfunctional instinct to partner. There is nothing on the planet that shows any reason, purpose, cause, or evolutionary point in any other union than those of the opposite sex.



Calling same sex unions a "marriage" is based more on PC than any real logical thinking through of this issue.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 07:01 AM   #3
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The anti-gays love to try and paint this as the granting of a "new" right called "gay marriage"



There is no such thing as "gay marriage"



There is marriage...period.



The question is should same sex couples have access to marriage.



Marriage, being a legal term, should not be denied to anyone as long as they are not breaking the law.



And since there is no law being broken by consenting adults engaging in homosexual activity, there is no reason for the state to deny them marriage.
Though I think word games are irrelevant, the right of same sex couples to get married would be "new" in most jurisdictions.



Both sides can play games with semantics, but the bottom line is whether you can or cannot get married.



And, as with any play on semantics, your own words can be turned against you. It may sound easier to say the issue is access to an existing right rather than a new right. But, that makes it easier for some court to say that your claim is not as important as it otherwise might be because its not a right.



This is why I focus on the end result, and not the semantics. Historically, there have been too many occasions where "rights" have been granted with the most poignant and flowery words, where in reality the recipients of the "right" find out the results are not there, e.g. blacks given the right to vote yet in some Southern jurisdictions the results were not changed at all.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 12:38 PM   #4
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Why not have civil unions for everyone? Why should our laws be allowed to discriminate?
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Old January 24th, 2009, 05:52 PM   #5
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Why not have civil unions for everyone? Why should our laws be allowed to discriminate?
I'd buy that before the other option discussed in the OP.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 06:06 PM   #6
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I agree.

EVERYBODY should have the right to a civil union - and marriages should simply be ceremonies performed by clergy.

Of course, that means that gays WILL be married (as I am now) because there are many churches that support, sanction and perform same sex marriage.



This whole legal thing has become so stupid. We have marriages of gay couples in several states - so SOME governments recognize them. So, the big deal is other governments joining in.



In my opinion, this is all over but the shouting - I don't believe any SCOTUS case will uphold discrimination on constitutional grounds.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 06:15 PM   #7
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I agree.

EVERYBODY should have the right to a civil union - and marriages should simply be ceremonies performed by clergy.

Of course, that means that gays WILL be married (as I am now) because there are many churches that support, sanction and perform same sex marriage.



This whole legal thing has become so stupid. We have marriages of gay couples in several states - so SOME governments recognize them. So, the big deal is other governments joining in.



In my opinion, this is all over but the shouting - I don't believe any SCOTUS case will uphold discrimination on constitutional grounds.
Yeah, but to most people, you are about as much married as that "man" in Oregon is that kids "mom".
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not to my family, friends, neighbors, clergy - oh, yeah - and my state government



you know - anybody that actually COUNTS in my life
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Old January 25th, 2009, 09:27 AM   #9
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not to my family, friends, neighbors, clergy - oh, yeah - and my state government



you know - anybody that actually COUNTS in my life
And you know what. I'm actually happy for you. In case you haven't noticed, I don't hate "you" or express any malice toward "you". I don't even know "you". But I just don't think that "same sex marriage" should be allowed. And since there is a thread her for that discussion, I'm fulfulling my duties as a holder of the "no" opinion.



But I think the same could be said for any number of things I really have very little control over. Here's a short list.

Abortion, who the President ended up being, speed limits, world poverty, the cost of food, the cost of gas, religion, world population, health insurance, my own kidneys and where and if i should get another transplant...the list goes on from there. I'll debate em, but it really doesn't matter.



So if you are happy, I am happy. As an acquaintance, on this web site, I wish no ill will on you or anyone else who I might banter aggressively with from time to time. Shout out to Catus who is the best at calling a person an asshole in one heated thread but chatting like it never happened in another. If I saw any of you broken down on the side of the highway, I'd stop for all of ya.
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Old January 25th, 2009, 09:53 AM   #10
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Shout out to Catus who is the best at calling a person an asshole in one heated thread but chatting like it never happened in another.


Just because a person is an asshole regarding one particular subject, doesn't always mean that they are an asshole all the time.



Sometimes, it does.



If someone is being an asshole, I'm probably going to call them on it. If that bothers them to the point that it spills over into other areas, perhaps they should examine their behavior in the former area.



In other words; If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.





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