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Old May 9th, 2011, 05:56 PM   #1
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WASHINGTON – Navy chaplains will be trained about their ability to perform same-sex civil marriage ceremonies under new guidance that would take effect if the Defense Department moves to recognize openly gay military service.
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I can't wait to see the pictures of the first same sex couple being married on a ship in their uniforms by a chaplain. Some heads will explode then, to be sure!!
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I was in the Navy from 1976 to 1980 as enlisted. I got out and got my college degree and decided to try another 4 year stint as an officer. In the Navy back then, it would have been very difficult if not impossible to be openly gay without expecting a high degree of harassment. Crude humor was a bit of a trademark of military people in those days and men would often insult others (usually in a benign way) with gay slurs. Even in close comradity, gay slurs abounded. Keep in mind these were slurs used on people you were friendly with and not meant to be taken seriously (boys will be boys).



During the past four years i have found myself in frequent and close interaction with the military members of today (mostly Army). I really haven't noticed much difference in the persona of present day soldiers and the military I knew years ago. Cussing and crude humor still abound, and gay references are still used as minor insults to other members of the unit.



This has me concerned about how accepting the modern military is REALLY going to be with the openly gay members serving. Soldiers may give politically correct answers whilst being interviewed for all to see, but I have my doubts that much has changed in any other aspect. How unfair anyone wants to slice it, I think we have some serious problems coming. This is not going to be a seamless change by any means.
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I can't wait to see the pictures of the first same sex couple being married on a ship in their uniforms by a chaplain. Some heads will explode then, to be sure!!




I don't think the Navy is ready for that. Read my post above
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I was in the Navy from 1976 to 1980 as enlisted. I got out and got my college degree and decided to try another 4 year stint as an officer. In the Navy back then, it would have been very difficult if not impossible to be openly gay without expecting a high degree of harassment. Crude humor was a bit of a trademark of military people in those days and men would often insult others (usually in a benign way) with gay slurs. Even in close comradity, gay slurs abounded. Keep in mind these were slurs used on people you were friendly with and not meant to be taken seriously (boys will be boys).



During the past four years i have found myself in frequent and close interaction with the military members of today (mostly Army). I really haven't noticed much difference in the persona of present day soldiers and the military I knew years ago. Cussing and crude humor still abound, and gay references are still used as minor insults to other members of the unit.



This has me concerned about how accepting the modern military is REALLY going to be with the openly gay members serving. Soldiers may give politically correct answers whilst being interviewed for all to see, but I have my doubts that much has changed in any other aspect. How unfair anyone wants to slice it, I think we have some serious problems coming. This is not going to be a seamless change by any means.


How did they manage in England and some of the other countries that allow gays to serve openly? At the end of the day, they are there to do a job, and if they can't handle this change, then they should not be there.
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I was in the Navy from 1976 to 1980 as enlisted. I got out and got my college degree and decided to try another 4 year stint as an officer. In the Navy back then, it would have been very difficult if not impossible to be openly gay without expecting a high degree of harassment. Crude humor was a bit of a trademark of military people in those days and men would often insult others (usually in a benign way) with gay slurs. Even in close comradity, gay slurs abounded. Keep in mind these were slurs used on people you were friendly with and not meant to be taken seriously (boys will be boys).



During the past four years i have found myself in frequent and close interaction with the military members of today (mostly Army). I really haven't noticed much difference in the persona of present day soldiers and the military I knew years ago. Cussing and crude humor still abound, and gay references are still used as minor insults to other members of the unit.



This has me concerned about how accepting the modern military is REALLY going to be with the openly gay members serving. Soldiers may give politically correct answers whilst being interviewed for all to see, but I have my doubts that much has changed in any other aspect. How unfair anyone wants to slice it, I think we have some serious problems coming. This is not going to be a seamless change by any means.
Sounds like a few soldiers will have to grow up before they leave the service and are shocked to learn that there are gays in the civilian workplace too, not just in the military.
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How much additional "training" is required for these chaplains? Performing a religious wedding for two people is pretty much the same as performing a religious wedding for two people.
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How did they manage in England and some of the other countries that allow gays to serve openly? At the end of the day, they are there to do a job, and if they can't handle this change, then they should not be there.


I can't speak for the British, their culture is different. I'm afraid it's not as simple as "handling the change." I think most military members will follow orders, but I also think the very essense of military service will be challenged like we have never seen before. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but know that these changes in policy are far more radical to those on active duty that most people probably realize.
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Sounds like a few soldiers will have to grow up before they leave the service and are shocked to learn that there are gays in the civilian workplace too, not just in the military.




The military is much different than working in a civilian environment. It's hard to explain to those who have never served in it,
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The military is much different than working in a civilian environment. It's hard to explain to those who have never served in it,
Just an FYI - even General Amos admits it's been a non-issue.
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