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Old October 29th, 2011, 01:52 PM   #1
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Rick Turley was 18 when he learned that Scouting offered a unique opportunity to meet boys.



He would show up in a uniform with a sash full of merit badges, charm parents with claims of being a "top" leader and offer to take their preteen boys out for a swim or drive. Then, often after plying them with alcohol, he would fondle or rape them — once going so far as to kidnap a boy in a stolen plane.



Over nearly two decades, Turley molested at least 15 children in Southern California and British Columbia, most of whom he met through American and Canadian Scouting, a Los Angeles Times and Canadian Broadcasting Corp. investigation has found.



Scouting officials on both sides of the border not only failed to stop him, but sometimes helped cover his tracks, according to confidential Scouting records, court files and interviews with victims, families and Scout leaders.



At one point in 1979, Boy Scouts of America officials decided not to call police after Turley admitted molesting three Orange County boys, the organization's records show.



"We were following exactly the national recommendations of the Boy Scouts of America and its board who set up the rules," said A. Buford Hill Jr., a former Orange County Scouting executive, in a recent interview. "You do not want to broadcast to the entire population that these things happen. You take care of it quietly and make sure it never happens again."



But it did.



Turley returned to British Columbia, signed on with Scouts Canada, which is separate from its U.S. counterpart, and continued his abuses for at least a decade.



Turley, now 58, is still surprised at how often he got away with it.



"It was easy," he said in an interview this month at the Alberta truck-stop motel where he now works.



Turley is one of more than 5,000 suspected child molesters named in confidential files kept by the Boy Scouts of America. The documents — called the "perversion files" by the organization — include unsubstantiated tips as well as admissions of guilt.



Those records have surfaced in recent years in lawsuits by former Scouts, accusing the group of failing to exclude known pedophiles, detect abuses or turn in offenders to the police.



The Oregon Supreme Court is now weighing a request by newspapers, a wire service and broadcasters to open about 1,200 more files in the wake of a nearly $20-million judgment in a Portland sex abuse case last year.



The Scouts' handling of sex-abuse allegations echoes that of the Catholic Church in the face of accusations against its priests, some attorneys say.



"It's the same institutional reaction: scandal prevention," said Seattle attorney Timothy Kosnoff, who has filed seven suits in the last year by former Scouts but was not involved in the Oregon case.



Current Boy Scouts of America officials declined to be interviewed and would not say how many files exist or what is in them. Their lawyers have said the records are confidential, in part to protect victims and because some of the files are based on unproven allegations.



"The BSA has continued to enhance its youth protection efforts as society has increased its understanding of the dangers children face," the Scouts said in a statement.



In the 1980s, the Boy Scouts began requiring that at least two adults be present for troop activities. The following decade, it mandated criminal background checks for staffers, a requirement that was expanded to the organization's nearly 1 million volunteers in 2008. Last year, it required child abuse prevention training as well. All suspicions of sexual misconduct must now be reported to police.



Those measures would likely have stopped Turley had they been in place decades ago. Instead, the Scouts' national policy had long recommended keeping abuse and other misconduct a secret.



Turley said one call to police by Scouting officials in 1979 "probably would have put a stop to me years and years and years ago." Instead, he "went back to the Scouts again and again as a leader and offended against the boys," said Turley, who said he has learned to control his impulses.



"That person who was Rick Turley was a monster," he said.


More here and at the link above, where Turley's kidnapping of an 11-year old boy in California is discussed:

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...phile-list.html







Even after stealing a plane, kidnapping a child, and molesting several children, Turley was allowed to be a scout leader and continued to rape children.
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This is why the Boy Scouts won't allow homosexuals to be leaders
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Old October 29th, 2011, 02:46 PM   #3
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Wow, this sounds more like a thread gary would start
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Old October 29th, 2011, 04:20 PM   #4
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In other news....





Should the Girl Scouts accept transgendered kids?





A 7-year-old boy who identifies as a girl is shunned by a local troop leader before the larger organization insists that the boy is welcome



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A Colorado boy is making headlines after he tried to join his local Girl Scout troop. Bobby Montoya, 7, identifies as a girl, but he was told by a local troop leader that he couldn't be a part of the group because of his "boy parts." After his story made the local news, the Girl Scouts said Bobby was actually welcome. Here, a brief guide:



Why does Bobby want to be a Girl Scout?

Bobby looks, acts, and dresses as if he were a girl. "He's been doing this since he was about 2 years old," says his mother, Felisha Archuleta. "He's loved girl stuff, so we just let him dress how he wants." Bobby's sister is a Girl Scout, so he wanted to join, too.What happened when he tried to join?



Archuleta says the local troop told her over the phone that Bobby was welcome, but when he arrived at the meeting, the troop leader "flipped out" and said, "It doesn't matter how he looks, he has boy parts, he can't be in Girl Scouts." The troop leader "was so rude and made him cry," Bobby's mother recalls. "He was devastated by what she said."



But the Girl Scouts eventually welcomed Bobby, right?

Following a local news report on Bobby's ordeal, the Girl Scouts of Colorado issued a statement saying that the scout leader hadn't been aware of or acted in accordance with their policies. "If a child identifies as a girl and the child's family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout," the statement read. "Our requests for support of transgender kids have grown, and Girl Scouts of Colorado is working to best support these children, their families, and the volunteers who serve them."



So is Bobby a Girl Scout now?

No. After their terrible experience, Bobby's grandmother, Rose Archuleta says, "My daughter is never going to take him back to join that Girl Scout troop." While Bobby could join another troop, Rose says that the group in question is the only one close to where they live, and that Bobby's mother is already quite busy shuttling her three children to and from their various activities.



Were others satisfied by the the Girl Scouts' explanation?

Mostly, yes. "Gender-variant kids have it hard enough," says Jeanne Sager at The Stir. "Any organization that wants to make these kids feel more at ease and more like the other kids is good in my book." Yeah, "RIGHT ON,"says Monica Bielanko at Babble. Maybe it's time we just do away with the Girl Scout/Boy Scout distinction, says Instinct. "It should just be Scouts."



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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah..........should girls be accepted into the boy scouts? Yes, I know, they have the RIGHT to do so.
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In fact the Girl Scouts are a far better and more progressive organization than the Boy Scouts. The BSA is stuck in the 19th century in its attitudes about gays, gender identity, and atheism.
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This is why the Boy Scouts won't allow homosexuals to be leaders
Funny that the BSA makes the same fallacy Gary does and equates the rape of children with adult consensual relationships, especially since most pedophiles identify as straight but will molest children of either sex.



A shame that they've let pedophiles be scout leaders, and refused to release the records they keep of scout leaders they know to be pedophiles, and a terrible shame they never once reported any of those crimes to the police.
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This is why the Boy Scouts won't allow homosexuals to be leaders
Funny that the BSA makes the same fallacy Gary does and equates the rape of children with adult consensual relationships, especially since most pedophiles identify as straight but will molest children of either sex.



A shame that they've let pedophiles be scout leaders, and refused to release the records they keeps of scout leaders they know to be pedophiles, and a terrible shame they never once reported any of those crimes to the police.


What's your point in posting this? From the article:



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In the 1980s, the Boy Scouts began requiring that at least two adults be present for troop activities. The following decade, it mandated criminal background checks for staffers, a requirement that was expanded to the organization's nearly 1 million volunteers in 2008. Last year, it required child abuse prevention training as well. All suspicions of sexual misconduct must now be reported to police.


So, hopefully it's cleared up or in the process of. So, what point are you making?
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So, what point are you making?




He's trying to make a dig at the Boy Scouts just because they won't let homosexuals join.
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What's your point in posting this? From the article:



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In the 1980s, the Boy Scouts began requiring that at least two adults be present for troop activities. The following decade, it mandated criminal background checks for staffers, a requirement that was expanded to the organization's nearly 1 million volunteers in 2008. Last year, it required child abuse prevention training as well. All suspicions of sexual misconduct must now be reported to police.


So, hopefully it's cleared up or in the process of. So, what point are you making?


Here's what the serial pedophile in question, Rick Turley, has to say about that:

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Scouts Canada also has a stringent “two-deep rule” requiring that two fully screened, registered leaders be present with youth at all times.



Turley recalls always having adult leaders present on his Scouts outings. “It didn’t stop anything,” he says.



Seattle-based lawyer Tim Kosnoff, who has viewed the U.S. “perversion files,” says historically the U.S. Boy Scouts “routinely” chose not to notify police when aware of child molesters, instead noting them in their own secret files.



Despite all the changes made to the Scouts organization, Turley maintains that “Scouting is still a flawed movement.”



“If I was a parent, I would never put my kids in Scouts.”


I would never trust any organization which conspired to hide the crimes of pedophiles, which is what happened in this and many other cases.
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