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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:40 AM   #1
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One of the many ways Utah is backwater, unfortunately.
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I'm fortunate - CT is among the best in the nation.



Unfortunately, that means we can't move and retain our rights. It's like living in the Jewish ghetto.
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Which of these are rights?
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Alabama is the only state in the union where it is a crime to perform a same sex marriage ceremony. This is clearly a violation of religious freedom but, so far, no one has ever challenged it.



I am not sure that anyone has ever been actually arrested under the law. But two ministers that my partner approached told her that they were leery of performing same sex marriages because of the law. So it is serving the intended purpose of repressing the religious freedom of ministers who disagree with the marriage ban.
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Alabama is the only state in the union where it is a crime to perform a same sex marriage ceremony. This is clearly a violation of religious freedom but, so far, no one has ever challenged it.



I am not sure that anyone has ever been actually arrested under the law. But two ministers that my partner approached told her that they were leery of performing same sex marriages because of the law. So it is serving the intended purpose of repressing the religious freedom of ministers who disagree with the marriage ban.


Ironic isn't it? The ones shouting that allowing gay marriage will lead to the infringement of their religious freedom are the ones infringing on the religious freedom of others by banning it.
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Pennsylvania is the real surprise here, I guess outside of Philadelphia, PA is a real cesspool.
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Pennsylvania is the real surprise here, I guess outside of Philadelphia, PA is a real cesspool.


I've been to Philly, it's a cesspool too.
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Pennsylvania is the real surprise here, I guess outside of Philadelphia, PA is a real cesspool.


I've been to Philly, it's a cesspool too.


I love Philly, have some good friends there....great gay scene too. I am surprised it is so behind the times.
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Which of these are rights?


If heterosexual couples get legal benefits in these areas by virtue of being married then to deny them to same sex couples violates their rights under the equal protection clause of the XIVth Amendment.
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Pennsylvania is the real surprise here, I guess outside of Philadelphia, PA is a real cesspool.


Not really - there are some gay havens there. New Hope (which is, coincidentally, LOL, my hometown) was a gay "mecca" long before Provincetown. The tourist town, Jim Thorpe, is another popular gay tourist attraction. I've visited Pittsburgh, and it's very gay friendly.



I think the "cesspools" of homophobia are the rural fly over areas.
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I hear Dosier, Alabama is a great gay mecca.
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Probably not. But Montgomery was pretty gay-friendly in the 70s when I was there. There was this great little bar about two blocks down in front of the Capital Building where young men could go to meet up-and-coming (no pun intended) congressional aids, assistant state attorneys, etc. It was pretty much a meat market but they had great music and drinks.
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Since the rise of Scott Walker and the teabaggers, my state of WI has regressed on both gay rights and women's rights. And we already weren't very good on either one.
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Marriage

Hospital visits

Adoption

Employment

Housing

Hate Crimes School





Which of these are rights?


If heterosexual couples get legal benefits in these areas by virtue of being married then to deny them to same sex couples violates their rights under the equal protection clause of the XIVth Amendment.


Those "rights" are available to anybody who abides by the same rules.



Hate Crime laws tend to work out a lot better for homosexuals



If you were honest you would agree they are not rights at all.



Incidentally I have often visited people in hospital and have never been asked to show my wedding licence
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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1336587061' post='400722']

Marriage

Hospital visits

Adoption

Employment

Housing

Hate Crimes School





Which of these are rights?


If heterosexual couples get legal benefits in these areas by virtue of being married then to deny them to same sex couples violates their rights under the equal protection clause of the XIVth Amendment.
Incidentally I have often visited people in hospital and have never been asked to show my wedding licence

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I think this video explains the problem with what you are claiming about hospital visitation better than I ever could.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR9gyloyOjM
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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1336587061' post='400722']

Marriage

Hospital visits

Adoption

Employment

Housing

Hate Crimes School





Which of these are rights?


If heterosexual couples get legal benefits in these areas by virtue of being married then to deny them to same sex couples violates their rights under the equal protection clause of the XIVth Amendment.


]Those "rights" are available to anybody who abides by the same rules.



Hate Crime laws tend to work out a lot better for homosexuals



If you were honest you would agree they are not rights at all.



Incidentally I have often visited people in hospital and have never been asked to show my wedding licence

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Hmmm...now who should I trust on this issue?



An anonymous Internet poster who has proven time and time again that he has a woefully inadaquet understanding of the US legal system and the US Constitution?



OR



Courts in Hawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Baltimore, California, Iowa, a Federal Court in California and a panel for the 9th circuit? (and that's not including the numerous Federal Courts who have ruled DOMA unconstitutional)



Sorry B.G. you lose again. But I'm sure that when it comes to matters of the law and the Constitution you used to that.
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[quote name='Nwolfe35' timestamp='1336605450' post='400796']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1336587061' post='400722']

Marriage

Hospital visits

Adoption

Employment

Housing

Hate Crimes School





Which of these are rights?


If heterosexual couples get legal benefits in these areas by virtue of being married then to deny them to same sex couples violates their rights under the equal protection clause of the XIVth Amendment.
Incidentally I have often visited people in hospital and have never been asked to show my wedding licence

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I think this video explains the problem with what you are claiming about hospital visitation better than I ever could.



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR9gyloyOjM[/media]

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I saw this, and I have to say I am surprised that Tom and Shane did not register as domestic partners in California, it could have saved Tom a world of heartache. I love the powerful statement, but I am suspicious that this is more of a fabricated story than anything real to get a point across. I agree we need marriage, but civil unions in California, as far as the state is concerned, are the same thing.
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I saw this, and I have to say I am surprised that Tom and Shane did not register as domestic partners in California, it could have saved Tom a world of heartache. I love the powerful statement, but I am suspicious that this is more of a fabricated story than anything real to get a point across. I agree we need marriage, but civil unions in California, as far as the state is concerned, are the same thing.


It's not fabricated, but I agree in part. At the same time I can understand why someone would stand on principle and not want to enter a contract that essentially codifies one's 2nd-class status. You entered a marriage when you had that option, and you deliberately chose that rather than a CA domestic partnership.



Regardless, what the video represents is the reality for the vast majority of gay people in the US.
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