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Old July 16th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #1
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Prior to 1970 49 states had anti Sodomy laws (Illinois was the sole exception, they had repealed their anti sodomy laws in 1962)...and zero states had any kind of civil union or marriage for same sex couples.



Here we are just over 40 years later and zero states have anti sodomy laws....6 states (and the District of Columbia) allow gay marriage (with three more states poised to join them by the end of the year) and 15 other states have civil unions / domestic partnership laws for same sex couples.



All 50 states allow gay people to adopt children



B.G. can talk about his votes to ban gay marriage or amend the state Constitutions but the fact is that these would not have happened if the people in that state had not been made afraid of the fact that same sex marriages were likely to become legal in their states as well....and in the end, those votes changed nothing. Same sex marriages were not allowed before the vote and they are not allowed now (the lone exception being California, and that Amendment is currently ruled unconstitutional and is in appeal by those trying to keep the state Constitutional Amendment).



Only an idiot and B.G. (but I guess I'm being redundant) would be blind to the fact that the gay rights movement is winning....and winning big.
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Old July 16th, 2012, 05:42 PM   #2
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What's amusing is that with their DOMA and mini-DOMAs the homophobes have unwittingly created the legal landscape to force the issue before SCOTUS, as well as creating the social climate where sexual orientation is very likely to be treated as a suspect class. Had they not tried to pass all these anti-gay laws the issue would likely have not been federalized.
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Prior to 1970 49 states had anti Sodomy laws (Illinois was the sole exception, they had repealed their anti sodomy laws in 1962)...and zero states had any kind of civil union or marriage for same sex couples.



Here we are just over 40 years later and zero states have anti sodomy laws....6 states (and the District of Columbia) allow gay marriage (with three more states poised to join them by the end of the year) and 15 other states have civil unions / domestic partnership laws for same sex couples.



All 50 states allow gay people to adopt children



B.G. can talk about his votes to ban gay marriage or amend the state Constitutions but the fact is that these would not have happened if the people in that state had not been made afraid of the fact that same sex marriages were likely to become legal in their states as well....and in the end, those votes changed nothing. Same sex marriages were not allowed before the vote and they are not allowed now (the lone exception being California, and that Amendment is currently ruled unconstitutional and is in appeal by those trying to keep the state Constitutional Amendment).



Only an idiot and B.G. (but I guess I'm being redundant) would be blind to the fact that the gay rights movement is winning....and winning big.


Of course that is true, Lawrence v. Texas as we have discussed.



No reason at all that all 50 states should have had civil unions / domestic partnership laws for same sex couples a long time ago.



The laws about gay adoption is sort of murky. It can vary within the same state unless that state has a law against gay adoption. One family judge may allow it and another judge two counties away may not allow it. Some consistency is needed.
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Old July 16th, 2012, 06:49 PM   #4
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No reason at all that all 50 states should have had civil unions / domestic partnership laws for same sex couples a long time ago.


Avoiding "separate and not nearly equal" is a very good reason to have equal marriage rights rather than civil unions or domestic partnerships.



There's never been a good reason to deny marriage to same-sex couples, no more than we should deny gays a driver's license or a mortgage.
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What's amusing is that with their DOMA and mini-DOMAs the homophobes have unwittingly created the legal landscape to force the issue before SCOTUS, as well as creating the social climate where sexual orientation is very likely to be treated as a suspect class. Had they not tried to pass all these anti-gay laws the issue would likely have not been federalized.


What's even more amusing is that 31 states out of 31 have rejected the vile notion of homosexual marriage.



And the growing number of ex gays threatens the homosexuals status of being a "suspect class".



Apparently they are no more a suspect class than fans of Justin Beiber.



Most people say they tolerate homosexuals just to be polite.



The truth is most Americans still believe that homosexuality is weird, dysfunctional and abnormal.
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That's why it's a good thing that this country's governing document allows for legal redress when individual states trample on the fundamental guarantees and protections of it's residents.
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That's why it's a good thing that this country's governing document allows for legal redress when individual states trample on the fundamental guarantees and protections of it's residents.


Homosexual, polygamous and consanguineous marriages have no constitutional expectation of a guarantee nor any protection so your point is entirely without merit
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