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Old June 3rd, 2013, 10:38 AM   #61
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PAY ATTENTION. He claimed I was off topic, I didn't say that he was off topic here. You just look for any reason to jump in and call names that you can find.
I personally liked his cameltoe reference, wish I would have thought of that.
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Old June 3rd, 2013, 10:39 AM   #62
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You don't get to decide what is a disorder and what isn't and the mental health professionals have determined that it is not a mental disorder. And yes, we humans actually have sex to procreate, sometimes. But certainly not even the majorithy of the time. Those times the purpose is far different than procreating as they can be for intimacy, for stress relief, to show feelings for another or whatever reason a person has that motivates them to engage in sexual activity. If it were only for procreation, why would anyone masturbate?
Mental Health professionals have not determined it is not a mental disorder. It was a political act in the effort to advance political correcteness.

In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders (DSM-II).

This decision was a significant victory for homosexual activists, and they have continued to claim that the APA based their decision on new scientific discoveries that proved that homosexual behavior is normal and should be affirmed in our culture.

This is false and part of numerous homosexual urban legends that have infiltrated every aspect of our culture. The removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder has given homosexual activists credibility in the culture, and they have demanded that their sexual behavior be affirmed in society.

What Really Happened?

Numerous psychiatrists over the past decades have described what forces were really at work both inside and outside of the American Psychiatric Association-and what led to the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981)

Dr. Socarides Speaks Out

Dr. Charles Socarides has set the record straight on how homosexuals inside and outside of the APA forced this organization to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder. This was done without any valid scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is not a disordered behavior.

Dr. Socarides, writing in Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic: The Issue of Homosexuality writes: "To declare a condition a 'non-condition,' a group of practitioners had removed it from our list of serious psychosexual disorders. The action was all the more remarkable when one considers that it involved an out-of-hand and peremptory disregard and dismissal not only of hundreds of psychiatric and psychoanalytic research papers and reports, but also a number of other serious studies by groups of psychiatrists, psychologists, and educators over the past seventy years…"

Socarides continued: "For the next 18 years, the APA decision served as a Trojan horse, opening the gates to widespread psychological and social change in sexual customs and mores. The decision was to be used on numerous occasions for numerous purposes with the goal of normalizing homosexuality and elevating it to an esteemed status.

"To some American psychiatrists, this action remains a chilling reminder that if scientific principles are not fought for, they can be lost-a disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to science, we are subject to the snares of political factionalism and the propagation of untruths to an unsuspecting and uninformed public, to the rest of the medical profession, and to the behavioral sciences." Dr. Socarides' report is available from the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality: NARTH.


THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DSM

The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) is the most widely used diagnostic reference book utilized by mental health professionals in the United States.

It's a manual by which all diagnostic codes are derived for diagnosis and treatment - every single physician (an estimated 850,000*) in the United States refers to this book in order to code for a diagnosis. In plain English, what does this mean? It means that for over 30 years physicians have been prevented from properly diagnosing homosexuality as an aberrant behavior and thus, cannot, recommend a course of treatment for these individuals.

Prior to that time, homosexuality had been treated as a mental disorder under section "302. Sexual Deviations" in the DSM-II. Section 302 said, in part: "This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward objects other than people of the opposite sex, toward sexual acts … performed under bizarre circumstances. … Even though many find their practices distasteful, they remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior for them." Homosexuality was listed as the first sexual deviation under 302. Once that diagnostic code for homosexuality was removed, physicians, including psychiatrists, have been prevented from diagnosing homosexuality as a mental disorder for more than three decades.

*American Medical Association statistic, 2002.



The American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its diagnostic list of mental disorders in 1973, despite substantial protest (see Socarides, 1995). The A.P.A. was strongly motivated by the desire to reduce the effects of social oppression. However, one effect of the A.P.A.'s action was to add psychiatric authority to gay activists' insistence that homosexuals as a group are as healthy as heterosexuals. This has discouraged publication of research that suggests there may, in fact, be psychiatric problems associated with homosexuality.

Ideology of Sexual Liberation

A strong case can be made that the male homosexual lifestyle itself, in its most extreme form, is mentally disturbed. Remember that Rotello, a gay advocate, notes that "the outlaw aspect of gay sexual culture, its transgressiveness, is seen by many men as one of its greatest attributes." Same-sex eroticism becomes for many, therefore, the central value of existence, and nothing else--not even life and health itself--is allowed to interfere with pursuit of this lifestyle. Homosexual promiscuity fuels the AIDS crisis in the West, but even that tragedy it is not allowed to interfere with sexual freedom.

And, according to Rotello, the idea of taking responsibility to avoid infecting others with the HIV virus is completely foreign to many groups trying to counter AIDS. The idea of protecting oneself is promoted, but protecting others is not mentioned in most official condom promotions (France in the '80s was an interesting exception). Bluntly, then, core gay behavior is both potentially fatal to others, and often suicidal.

Surely it should be considered "mentally disturbed" to risk losing one's life for sexual liberation. This is surely among the most extreme risks practiced by any significant fraction of society. I have not found a higher risk of death accepted by any similar-sized population.

In conclusion, then, if we ask the question "Is mental illness inherent in the homosexual condition?" the answer would have to be "Further research--uncompromised by politics --should be carried out to honestly evaluate this issue."


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Old June 3rd, 2013, 10:42 AM   #63
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Calling someone mentally ill is NOT judging them or denigrating them if, in fact they have a mental illness.

A mental illness is a disease just as diabetes or cancer is.

The problem is that there are those here on DTT that insist on referring to homosexuality as a mental illness when, in fact, it is not.

This is either:

1. An attempt to classify homosexuality as something that can (and should be) "cured"

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2. Ignorance on their part as to what constitutes a mental illness

OR (in most cases)

3. A combination of 1 & 2
This is false; no one is arguing that there is or can be a cure and there is no ignorance as what constitutes a mental disorder.

The question is this; is it natural for a male to attempt to mate with another male?

Try and answer the question honestly without the name calling, deflecting, demogoguery or attempts to drag the topic off topic.
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Old June 3rd, 2013, 10:43 AM   #64
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O.K. You convinced me Truth Defector, I will only have sex for reasons of procreation from this day forward......pinky swear
No one is trying to convince you that you should not wallow in blissful ignorance; it is an honest question that you have yet to answer.

What is natural about two males attempting to mate?
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As I said. Homosexuality occurs in nature. Therefore it is natural. The words "true", "real" and "natural" related to heterosexual relationships are being thrown about, but show me some wide-based consensus on this. More and more states and countries seem to be going against you, TD.
How do incidences of homosexuality make the argument that it is a natural act?

How do two male lions mate? They cannot and if a male mistakenly attempts to mate with another male it usually ends badly.

The question was very simple; what is natural about a male attempting to mate with another male? Try to answer it honestly.
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No one is trying to convince you that you should not wallow in blissful ignorance; it is an honest question that you have yet to answer.

What is natural about two males attempting to mate?
Look, I'm heterosexual so I don't get it myself but that doesn't mean that everyone in the world has to be like me. Why is it that so many heterosexual guys go to prison for long stints and end up doing the unthinkable ?
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No, it was not due to political correctness. That's just more BS. As medicine advances things change.
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You are calling him abnormal because he is gay. That is in fact disparaging him.
Bullschit; that is your idiotic interpretation of events based on your leftist bias that does not permit you to be honest, deal with facts or the truth.

Spare me the bullschit and your selective outrage. I was called a “hate filled bigoted redneck;” do you want to deal with that or pretend that it is only okay to disparage someone if they disagree with your moronic ideals.

I didn't call anyone abnormal you offensive troller.

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If being gay is not part of nature, then why is it found in nature?
Who made this argument? NO ONE. The question was what is natural about a male attempting to mate with another male.

It is only difficult to answer if one is forced to be honest regardless of their political idealism.

Just because homosexual acts can be found in nature doesn't make the act of male attempting to mate with males natural; that is an absurd claim made by someone desperately attempting to avoid the truth.
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This is false; no one is arguing that there is or can be a cure and there is no ignorance as what constitutes a mental disorder.

The question is this; is it natural for a male to attempt to mate with another male?

Try and answer the question honestly without the name calling, deflecting, demogoguery or attempts to drag the topic off topic.
If the male in question has a sexual attraction then yes it is natural for him to have sex with another man.

That direct enough for you?
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Researchers have found that homosexuality exists throughout the animal kingdom which suggests that nature does drive this behavior.
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