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Old May 12th, 2015, 03:16 PM   #91
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I'm not going anywhere. I don't care, one way or the other if homosexuals marry or not. What I do care about is a Central government usurping the power of each individual sovereign state. I'm more than willing to live in a state that passes Gay marriage. But, IMO that issue should be left up to the citizens of each state.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 03:18 PM   #92
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Your misunderstanding the definition of Central government.
Fine, give us YOUR definition of Central Governemt.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 04:18 PM   #93
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I'm not going anywhere. I don't care, one way or the other if homosexuals marry or not. What I do care about is a Central government usurping the power of each individual sovereign state. I'm more than willing to live in a state that passes Gay marriage. But, IMO that issue should be left up to the citizens of each state.
So slavery should have been left up to each state? The right of women to vote should have been left up to each state? What about freedom of religion, leave that up to each state?

Since when are the rights/freedoms of law abiding citizens "left up to the states"?
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Old May 12th, 2015, 04:30 PM   #94
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That is the most inaccurate definition of the Civil War I have ever seen!
That is a perfect summation of the war.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 04:33 PM   #95
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Attempting to secede from the 'union' is what started the Civil War. No state had attempted secession before.

Obviously, the idea that they had the right to do so, was proven wrong.
The northern states almost seceded in 1814.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 04:35 PM   #96
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How do you feel about the bible belt states cleaning up after their own tornadoes and disasters? Should the CENTRAL government have to get involved, or should states like Kansas who voted for Brownback who has bankrupted the state have to pay for their own clean up?
That sounds fair enough. Just leave all the income and corporate tax revenues in the states.

I must have missed Kansas going bankrupt. When was it? What about the liberal states with more debt and higher unemployment? When did they file for bankruptcy?
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So slavery should have been left up to each state? The right of women to vote should have been left up to each state? What about freedom of religion, leave that up to each state?

Since when are the rights/freedoms of law abiding citizens "left up to the states"?
That is the design and foundation of the compact between the sovereign states and the federal government.

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Since when are the rights/freedoms of law abiding citizens "left up to the states"?
Since the day the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were ratified.
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That is the design and foundation of the compact between the sovereign states and the federal government.



Since the day the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were ratified.
And then when the southern states proved they could not be trusted with the responsibility we ratified the XIVth Amendment which required the states to give equal protection of the laws.
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That sounds fair enough. Just leave all the income and corporate tax revenues in the states.

I must have missed Kansas going bankrupt. When was it? What about the liberal states with more debt and higher unemployment? When did they file for bankruptcy?
It would be nice not to have to carry all the southern (red) states .
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And then when the southern states proved they could not be trusted with the responsibility we ratified the XIVth Amendment which required the states to give equal protection of the laws.
How was that amendment ratified? Did it follow Article V for amending the Constitution? How about that last sentence in Article V "and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate?" How does that work out with kicking the states out of the Congress? What exactly does "equal protection of the laws" mean in the context of Bingham's intent of the first clause of the 14th Amendment?
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