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Old May 9th, 2015, 12:08 PM   #11
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Is sexual preference a civil right, or simply a lifestyle? Should the government be involved in mandating lifestyles? Where does the Courts mandate of a lifestyle come from? Shouldn't social norms be left up to the dictates of sovereign states? If the Bill of Rights is based on "natural law", is homosexuality a norm?
Where has a court mandated a lifestyle?
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I wonder how the term GAY came to be associated with Homosexual people and more so with homosexual men than homosexual women. Just when did gay cease to mean happy, carefree? Wasn't there a sachet or some type of flowery smelling stuff in a cloth container that folks used to carry around to hide offensive orders that was called a gay?
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This is exactly where many people get derailed about how our country is supposed to work. We are majority rule, but never at the expense of individual liberties.

Most have spent their entire lives as part of the majority and they rarely if ever stop to consider what its like to be in the minority. They never consider that one day, some where, over some issue, they may wind up on the other side of the equation.

Many on the Christian right are experiencing this right now. Society has shifted. We are becoming more secular. Less religious, and more importantly less inclined toward organized religion. After two centuries of imposing their will on this country, with little or no push back, they suddenly find themselves
in the minority and being told they can no longer ride rough shod over those they disagree with. That they can longer, as my tag line says, change my rights based on THEIR interpretation of the parts of the bible they choose to believe in.

Now we have a "war on Christianity" a "war on morality" by the "militant gays" and well a militant everything else that isn't in the plans for their perfect world.

Todd forbid someone say "happy holidays" and not "merry Christmas"

Not hang the "Ten Commandments" around every cornor (even though they are Jewish laws not Christian)

Not Apply their view of morality to the rest of societies lives.
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I wonder how the term GAY came to be associated with Homosexual people and more so with homosexual men than homosexual women. Just when did gay cease to mean happy, carefree? Wasn't there a sachet or some type of flowery smelling stuff in a cloth container that folks used to carry around to hide offensive orders that was called a gay?
Times change.
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Old May 9th, 2015, 12:40 PM   #15
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Where has a court mandated a lifestyle?
I have to admit I was upset with New York when they outlawed, or tried to outlaw large sodas. I have a certain theoretical issue with seatbelt laws. In Canada, with our nationalized health one of the arguments for such laws is that then there is less chance you will be a drain on the system. But still, it is an unanswered question, as far as I am concerned if that is a good thing or not.

But those are examples of courts mandating a lifestyle.
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I have to admit I was upset with New York when they outlawed, or tried to outlaw large sodas. I have a certain theoretical issue with seatbelt laws. In Canada, with our nationalized health one of the arguments for such laws is that then there is less chance you will be a drain on the system. But still, it is an unanswered question, as far as I am concerned if that is a good thing or not.

But those are examples of courts mandating a lifestyle.
Except that the COURTS didn't implement those LAWS. The ELECTED officials, city councilmen, congressmen and senators passed LAWS, signed by the respective governors and presidents.
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Old May 9th, 2015, 01:17 PM   #17
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Except that the COURTS didn't implement those LAWS. The ELECTED officials, city councilmen, congressmen and senators passed LAWS, signed by the respective governors and presidents.
The cacon post goober responded to used the phrase "government mandated". It is you that threw in court mandated. I thought he was just using a shorter term and responded with the same terminology.
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Ferman Smith was driving in Dearborn Heights, Michigan when he saw something so outrageous he says he had to turn around and go back to photograph it. Above, the photo Smith took and posted to Facebook.

The Oakland Press reports this is just one of an untold number of billboards that share the same message: "Homosexuality is a behavior," they insist, "not a civil right." Smith says he was "dumbfounded."

The billboards are part of a money-making campaign by a coalition of anti-gay organizations and anti-gay hate groups, partnering to spread lies while trying to profit from their message of hate.

The billboards are sponsored by Restrain The Judges. Its website says the coalition includes the American Family Association, Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, and Scott Lively's Abiding Truth Ministries all of which appear on the Southern Poverty Law Center's anti-gay hate groups list. Other organizations include the Liberty Alliance and Faith 2 Action. Also included in the coalition is Matt Barber's BarbWire website, which repeatedly has published authors who have called for the death of gay people.

Restrain the Judges offers visitors the opportunity to email a faux "restraining order" to lawmakers in Congress and justices at the Supreme Court. For the low, low price of just $49.95, you can give these anti-gay groups all your personal contact information, and your credit card number, so they can do the same thing you can do for free elsewhere.

Smith wants to create a billboard in response to the anti-gay hate message, and he's started a GoFundMe page to do just that.

Support our cause and help us spread a message of equality: Stand up against RestrainTheJudges by Ferman Smith - GoFundMe
Actually they are wrong either way. If someone is born gay, they have the same civil rights as everybody else.

If someone is just simply engaging in gay behavior, it is still their civil right.
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Actually they are wrong either way. If someone is born gay, they have the same civil rights as everybody else.

If someone is just simply engaging in gay behavior, it is still their civil right.
You got it all wrong. What the billboard was trying to say is that all gay people are born Asian. You sure are stupid for not getting that.
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I wonder how the term GAY came to be associated with Homosexual people and more so with homosexual men than homosexual women. Just when did gay cease to mean happy, carefree? Wasn't there a sachet or some type of flowery smelling stuff in a cloth container that folks used to carry around to hide offensive orders that was called a gay?
it was called a nosegay.

The word 'gay' was first used popularly to euphemize homosexual in Victorian England during the middle and last half of the 19th century - it became widespread when it was used in the scandal sheets and newspapers during the trials of Oscar Wilde. It was always used in a derogatory manner.
It was first popularized in America during the silent films when overtly effeminate men - who were implied homosexuals - were described as 'gay.' They were always objects of ridicule and, again, the term was used in a derogatory manner.

It wasn't until the homosexual community decided to "take back" the word and use it themselves as a sign of pride and survival that there began to be complaints about the word being usurped by the militant homosexuals who were taking a word which was once 'nice' and making it about something shameful and dirty. It was only acceptable to call homosexuals 'gay' when it was derogatory. The gay community did the same thing when they took the pink triangle - which they were forced to wear in the Nazi concentration camps - as their emblem of pride.

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