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Old May 12th, 2015, 12:41 PM   #71
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Guess what? YOU don't decide just what "the PROPER context" is for everyone.
I'm not! The context is found in historical fact. States had the right to succeed prior to the Civil War. That's a fact, not conjecture. Almost from the beginning, the Supreme Court has found ways (corrupt) to garner power they were never suppose to have.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 12:46 PM   #72
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That is the most inaccurate definition of the Civil War I have ever seen!
Please, avail yourself of a refresher course in Constitutional history. And, it was not intended to be a finition of the Civil War.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 12:48 PM   #73
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I'm not! The context is found in historical fact. States had the right to succeed prior to the Civil War. That's a fact, not conjecture. Almost from the beginning, the Supreme Court has found ways (corrupt) to garner power they were never suppose to have.
Attempting to secede from the 'union' is what started the Civil War. No state had attempted secession before.

Obviously, the idea that they had the right to do so, was proven wrong.
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Oh I"M sorry I was under the impression you had a problem with Central governments. You don't?
I do, on the Federal level.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 12:52 PM   #75
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Attempting to secede from the 'union' is what started the Civil War. No state had attempted secession before.

Obviously, the idea that they had the right to do so, was proven wrong.
Losing the Civil War proved them wrong. That's not the point. The point is, did they have a legal right to succeed. Many states made sighing the Constitution contingent upon the right to succeed.
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And you base this on ?
Richard B. Gartner, PhD, Training and Supervising Analyst, Faculty and Founding Director of the Sexual Abuse Program at the William Alanson White Institute, Jan. 30, 2011


While this prospective evidence linking childhood sexual abuse to same-sex sexual partnerships in men suggests an increased likelihood, Findings from this investigation provide tentative support for a relationship between childhood sexual abuse and same sex sexual relationships, but this relationship appeared only for men. That is, men with histories of childhood sexual abuse were more likely than men in a control group to report same sex sexual partnerships... [T]his evidence of a link between court-substantiated cases of childhood sexual abuse and same-sex partnerships reported by adult men 30 years later is a notable finding that adds to the literature on this topic


is it 100% conclusive no, just as the "Gay gene is not conclusive either. the study shows there is a relationship.

Thus my conclusion is that both situations are reality Born gay and a result of life experiences.

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Old May 12th, 2015, 12:57 PM   #77
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I'm not! The context is found in historical fact. States had the right to succeed prior to the Civil War. That's a fact, not conjecture. Almost from the beginning, the Supreme Court has found ways (corrupt) to garner power they were never suppose to have.
I'm all for states becoming completely autonomous. I have been saying that forever. I'm an anarchist @ heart. Fuck the state. As it stands tho we are a group of United States. That is the overbearing flag that we have been born under. W/ all of her perks and blemishes we love her just the same. Under that umbrella humans are granted the pursuit of happiness. One group does not get to tell the other what can make them happy. If what I do to attain my happieness is not for you, don't do it. As long as it doesn't cause direct harm to you it is not up to you to dictate what brings me joy. I don't believe in salvation but the hope in it brings others joy, why would I want to take that away from someone. What I don't want Is to be subjugated to live under someone else's dogma nor do I want to force someone to live in my footsteps. Is that to much to ask?
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It's not an issue for me. I could care less. I'm only pointing out the natural order of nature. When people tell me, it's natural for them, I agree, it is natural for them but, not natural in nature. The intent of nature is to reproduce. Homosexuality does not conform to nature.
Nature is what created them in the same way it created you. Both are what they are. No one chooses who they are attracted to.
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Losing the Civil War proved them wrong. That's not the point. The point is, did they have a legal right to succeed. Many states made sighing the Constitution contingent upon the right to succeed.
It really doesn't matter what contingencies 'they' put on signing.

That just means they thought they had the right to secede.

They were wrong.
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So once the U.S. Passes marriage equality you will just up, pack your bags and go? Where....Russia? The ME?
I'm not going anywhere. I don't care, one way or the other if homosexuals marry or not. What I do care about is a Central government usurping the power of each individual sovereign state. I'm more than willing to live in a state that passes Gay marriage. But, IMO that issue should be left up to the citizens of each state.
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