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Old August 19th, 2015, 08:51 AM   #21
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How is he a bigot? He is at his Church, from his pulpit preaching to people who agree with him. If he was standing in the middle of a public mall then ok you might have a valid bigot claim. Same sex marriage and the state getting even more power to decide who can marry is here to stay. Name calling and attempting to "silence" different opinions is only making things worse. Tolerance is a two way street.
There is no attempt to silence, and that wasn't name calling.
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Blab, blab, blab... Same old neo-Puritan rhetoric from a young inexperienced kid who thinks he has a self-proclaimed monopoly on the "mind of God." If he REALLY wants to preach the "whole counsel of God," he should take some time to read Proverbs 6:19. There Solomon, who "pastor" Bailey would claim to look up to as "blessed with wisdom from God," lists 7 things God hates. Same-gender attraction is NOT on the list.

1) haughty eyes--that means stuck up arrogance.
2) a lying tongue--people who make deliberate false statements for their own gain
3) hands that shed innocent blood--which can mean murder, or character assassination
4) a heart that devises wicked schemes--people who conspire to inflict pain or bring others down
5) feet that are quick to rush into evil--schemers who prefer to do what is wrong rather than what is right
6) a false witness--a liar and defamer
7) a person who creates division and strife--someone looking to stir up trouble in a community because they prefer conflict to peace

Nothing about gays! But it describes a lot of stuck-up preachers who use the pulpit as an excuse to bully people around and put their neighbors down.

Pastor what's-his-face should also take a serious look at a parable Jesus recites in Luke 18, about the difference between someone who says "God have mercy on me for I am a sinful man," and one who says, "God, I thank you that I am so much better than the people around me."

Put this guy in a time machine and send him back about 2,100 years and he's sitting in the Sanhedrin during a secret unlawful assembly, shouting "Away with this blasphemer! He has broken our laws! Crucify him!"

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A conservative pastor suggests the "mindset of God" includes the stoning of gay people...I guess he thought God was just joking around with all that "love thy neighbor" and "do unto others..." stuff. Asshat. He should be arrested for inciting violence.

To one Tennessee preacher, apparently, the good old days included the ability to stone gays to death.

Pastor Ben Bailey of the Central Church of Christ recorded a video in which he says the "mindset of God" is unchanging. God has "a definite standard and it is not the liberal mindset that we see today," Bailey says during his weekly "The Gospel of Christ" evangelistic effort.

"The Gospel Of Christ program seeks to teach and preach THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD, regardless of the consequence or reaction," its website states.

Bailey tells viewers of a recent article which examined four couples and the reasons they chose their particular church. Some couples opted for a church that advanced "relaxed and liberal views," which are not in keeping with God's views, Bailey insisted. They wanted "things like women preaching, women leading in service, where homosexuals and gay marriage were accepted openly," which God, he says, opposes.

"They were just looking for something liberal," Bailey claimed. "Something that didn’t criticize or condemn or didn’t have any hardcore standards on anything — 'anything goes' type of mentality."

Bailey said that "if that's what you're looking for, you can surely find a multiplicity of that today. But is that what God's looking for?" he posited.

God "has a definite standard and it is not the liberal mindset that we see today," Bailey continued.

"God does not approve of homosexuality or gay marriage," Bailey promised. "The scripture says… that is vile, unnatural and deserving of a penalty… It’s an abomination that under the Old Testament deserved stoning."

"And so, is our God, the God of Bible, wanting us to go somewhere where it's liberal, relaxed views and anything goes? No, that’s the effect of a very liberal society. And we need to make sure that such is not the idea or the mindset of God."

On his The Gospel of Christ website, one sermon delves deeply into the issue:

In the days in which we live, how people need to hear that marriage is for a man and a woman! You will never find in the Bible God’s authorization for men-to-men or women- to-women marriages. Marriage is for one man and one woman. In fact, Scripture clearly condemns the homosexuality and lesbian acts that are so frequent in our world today. Regardless of what a court system or state decides that homosexuals can marry, God never intended for that to take place. And, He actually condemns it. Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:12-13 state that such acts were “abominations” in the sight of God, and were punishable by stoning.

Someone might say, “Well, that was under the Old Law.” Did you know that the New Testament says that homosexuality is a sin against God and nature? In Romans 1:26-29 we are told that homosexuality is immoral and ungodly, and that people who engage in such will receive the eternal punishment that is due to them if they do not change their ways.

Someone might ask, “Are you telling me, then, that if two men get married, they will be lost in Hell?” Listen to the words of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”

People who remain in sins such as fornication, idolatry, and homosexuality will not go to Heaven. Yes, the Bible clearly teaches that homosexuals will not go to Heaven. That is what God has said on this subject. How does that relate to marriage? We need to honor the holy state of marriage. It is intended to last for life, and is intended to be between one man and one woman. That is God’s original decree, and is what Paul is referencing in verse 2.



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You do not wish to get stoned?
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A conservative pastor suggests the "mindset of God" includes the stoning of gay people...I guess he thought God was just joking around with all that "love thy neighbor" and "do unto others..." stuff. Asshat. He should be arrested for inciting violence.

To one Tennessee preacher, apparently, the good old days included the ability to stone gays to death.

Pastor Ben Bailey of the Central Church of Christ recorded a video in which he says the "mindset of God" is unchanging. God has "a definite standard and it is not the liberal mindset that we see today," Bailey says during his weekly "The Gospel of Christ" evangelistic effort.

"The Gospel Of Christ program seeks to teach and preach THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD, regardless of the consequence or reaction," its website states.

Bailey tells viewers of a recent article which examined four couples and the reasons they chose their particular church. Some couples opted for a church that advanced "relaxed and liberal views," which are not in keeping with God's views, Bailey insisted. They wanted "things like women preaching, women leading in service, where homosexuals and gay marriage were accepted openly," which God, he says, opposes.

"They were just looking for something liberal," Bailey claimed. "Something that didn’t criticize or condemn or didn’t have any hardcore standards on anything — 'anything goes' type of mentality."

Bailey said that "if that's what you're looking for, you can surely find a multiplicity of that today. But is that what God's looking for?" he posited.

God "has a definite standard and it is not the liberal mindset that we see today," Bailey continued.

"God does not approve of homosexuality or gay marriage," Bailey promised. "The scripture says… that is vile, unnatural and deserving of a penalty… It’s an abomination that under the Old Testament deserved stoning."

"And so, is our God, the God of Bible, wanting us to go somewhere where it's liberal, relaxed views and anything goes? No, that’s the effect of a very liberal society. And we need to make sure that such is not the idea or the mindset of God."

On his The Gospel of Christ website, one sermon delves deeply into the issue:

In the days in which we live, how people need to hear that marriage is for a man and a woman! You will never find in the Bible God’s authorization for men-to-men or women- to-women marriages. Marriage is for one man and one woman. In fact, Scripture clearly condemns the homosexuality and lesbian acts that are so frequent in our world today. Regardless of what a court system or state decides that homosexuals can marry, God never intended for that to take place. And, He actually condemns it. Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:12-13 state that such acts were “abominations” in the sight of God, and were punishable by stoning.

Someone might say, “Well, that was under the Old Law.” Did you know that the New Testament says that homosexuality is a sin against God and nature? In Romans 1:26-29 we are told that homosexuality is immoral and ungodly, and that people who engage in such will receive the eternal punishment that is due to them if they do not change their ways.

Someone might ask, “Are you telling me, then, that if two men get married, they will be lost in Hell?” Listen to the words of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”

People who remain in sins such as fornication, idolatry, and homosexuality will not go to Heaven. Yes, the Bible clearly teaches that homosexuals will not go to Heaven. That is what God has said on this subject. How does that relate to marriage? We need to honor the holy state of marriage. It is intended to last for life, and is intended to be between one man and one woman. That is God’s original decree, and is what Paul is referencing in verse 2.



Anti-Gay Tennessee Pastor Would Like To Remind You Stoning Gays Was A-OK Under The Old Testament - The New Civil Rights Movement
Okay. Now tell me this. How is following the Old Testament going to create a Christian? Christ said don't judge and turn the other cheek. Seems to me this ol' boi is NOT a Christian.
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Okay. Now tell me this. How is following the Old Testament going to create a Christian? Christ said don't judge and turn the other cheek. Seems to me this ol' boi is NOT a Christian.
I think he believes Christ was who he claimed to be. I just don't think he understands anything the man had to say.
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