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Old August 26th, 2015, 05:48 AM   #11
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The suicide rate of transgender people is way high and the percentage of them working in sex trades is high. I think there is merit to questioning the mental health of someone who wants to have a sex change procedure. I am pretty sure the pc police wont allow that conversation though. So, even if there is a diminished mental capacity behind being transgender, it wont be dealt with. Political correctness before reason
What is with you guys and the paranoid fear they those awful, awful all-powerful liberals and their PC police are not going to ALLOW something?
We are right in the middle of such a conversation are we not? Anyone trying to stop you from talking?
Or are you boys simply saying that you equate someone having a different opinion or voicing the opinion yours is bullshit or just asking questions concerning your opinion, is the same thing as not ALLOWING you to talk? WTF is up with that anyway?
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The suicide rate of transgender people is way high and the percentage of them working in sex trades is high. I think there is merit to questioning the mental health of someone who wants to have a sex change procedure. I am pretty sure the pc police wont allow that conversation though. So, even if there is a diminished mental capacity behind being transgender, it wont be dealt with. Political correctness before reason

First of all, I'd like to say, in most developed countries, before having something like a sex change, any reputable Dr. WILL make you go see a shrink. That doesn't mean there aren't hacks out there willing to do anything for a buck. But most plastic surgeons are going to require clearance from a psychiatrist.

BUT, how much of that suicide rate, and being force onto sex trade, is because SOCIETY refuses to accept who they are ?? Because SOCIETY doesn't like people that are different ?? Because SOCIETY, driven by the self righteous, opinionated, and narrow minded, keeps telling them how terrible they are ??

We marginalize anyone that doesn't fit into a nice neat little box under the title "normal", then we chastise, criticize, and punish them for being marginalized. It's a self defeating circle. A self fulfilling prophecy.

More importantly WHY DO YOU CARE ?? I don't give a shit about Jenner. As long as it's a consenting adult, WHY DO YOU CARE what they do with their own body ??
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Old August 26th, 2015, 06:53 AM   #13
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First of all, I'd like to say, in most developed countries, before having something like a sex change, any reputable Dr. WILL make you go see a shrink. That doesn't mean there aren't hacks out there willing to do anything for a buck. But most plastic surgeons are going to require clearance from a psychiatrist.
A really good idea. Getting a sex change is not like trying on a three-piece suit or a dress. It is, I believe, somewhat irreversible, so should not be done on a whim (which in most cases I'm pretty sure it's not).

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BUT, how much of that suicide rate, and being force onto sex trade, is because SOCIETY refuses to accept who they are ?? Because SOCIETY doesn't like people that are different ?? Because SOCIETY, driven by the self righteous, opinionated, and narrow minded, keeps telling them how terrible they are ? We marginalize anyone that doesn't fit into a nice neat little box under the title "normal", then we chastise, criticize, and punish them for being marginalized.
Or... how many of these people might have been unhappy to the point of having suicidal tendencies to begin with, since self-loathing is apparently a factor. As far as the sex trade, there are plenty of people involved who have not undergone such a procedure, so how does one account for them?

But right on about marginalizing. Humans by nature are uncomfortable around people who are different from themselves. Some can't even handle the reality that there are people living in America who DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH! OMG! (I know--let's build a big wall to keep them out.)

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More importantly WHY DO YOU CARE ?? I don't give a shit about Jenner. As long as it's a consenting adult, WHY DO YOU CARE what they do with their own body ??
I think what bothers the phobes most is that Jenner et al is a celebrity (kind of), so he's/she's in the news and they have to look at it and listen to him campaign on behalf of other transgenders. And because they're uncomfortable with the idea at all, they vent their rage against him for being visible and outspoken. I'm sure that's why he/she gets death threats.
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What is with you guys and the paranoid fear they those awful, awful all-powerful liberals and their PC police are not going to ALLOW something?
We are right in the middle of such a conversation are we not? Anyone trying to stop you from talking?
Or are you boys simply saying that you equate someone having a different opinion or voicing the opinion yours is bullshit or just asking questions concerning your opinion, is the same thing as not ALLOWING you to talk? WTF is up with that anyway?
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Or are you boys simply saying that you equate someone having a different opinion or voicing the opinion yours is bullshit or just asking questions concerning your opinion, is the same thing as not ALLOWING you to talk?
Or screaming racist, homophobe, hick etc. etc. Hang on I will illustrate my point with Bubba's highly intelligent and well thought out response.
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First of all, I'd like to say, in most developed countries, before having something like a sex change, any reputable Dr. WILL make you go see a shrink. That doesn't mean there aren't hacks out there willing to do anything for a buck. But most plastic surgeons are going to require clearance from a psychiatrist.

BUT, how much of that suicide rate, and being force onto sex trade, is because SOCIETY refuses to accept who they are ?? Because SOCIETY doesn't like people that are different ?? Because SOCIETY, driven by the self righteous, opinionated, and narrow minded, keeps telling them how terrible they are ??

We marginalize anyone that doesn't fit into a nice neat little box under the title "normal", then we chastise, criticize, and punish them for being marginalized. It's a self defeating circle. A self fulfilling prophecy.

More importantly WHY DO YOU CARE ?? I don't give a shit about Jenner. As long as it's a consenting adult, WHY DO YOU CARE what they do with their own body ??
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We marginalize anyone that doesn't fit into a nice neat little box under the title "normal", then we chastise, criticize, and punish them for being marginalized. It's a self defeating circle. A self fulfilling prophecy.
We do? Is the definition of not normal abnormal?

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More importantly WHY DO YOU CARE ?? I don't give a shit about Jenner. As long as it's a consenting adult, WHY DO YOU CARE what they do with their own body ??
"Its" a consenting adult? You just accused me of marginalizing anyone that doesn't fit into a neat little box then referred to a human being as an it? Why do I care? Gee I don't know if we was talking about homeless people and their mental illness would you still be screaming why do I care? You proved my point about the PC police eloquently. Although referring to a transgender person as an "it" was a little surprising. Then again you are a rootin tootin gun packing liberal, which does beg to question rather or not you have a identity crisis
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Or screaming racist, homophobe, hick etc. etc. Hang on I will illustrate my point with Bubba's highly intelligent and well thought out response.
Well? You intend to answer my question or not? Who is not ALLOWING you to discuss this?
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A really good idea. Getting a sex change is not like trying on a three-piece suit or a dress. It is, I believe, somewhat irreversible, so should not be done on a whim (which in most cases I'm pretty sure it's not).
I had weight loss surgery a couple of years ago. Even for that I had to see a shrink and take some sort of psychological profile test to make sure I didn't have any serious underlying issues. I'll probably have to do so again when I get this extra skin trimmed off late this year or early next. Most of the people that have that level of surgery have been working towards it for many years. It is not something they just woke up and decided on a whim.

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Or... how many of these people might have been unhappy to the point of having suicidal tendencies to begin with, since self-loathing is apparently a factor.
That was the point I was trying to make. HOW MUCH of that unhappiness is due to societal pressures ?? How much of that self loathing is rooted in the fact that they are somehow different and at the same time unable to change who they are ??

If you are constantly told you are some how "different", you'll begin to believe you are "different". If you are also told "different" is something to be despised and hated, how long till you start to despise and hate yourself ?? As I said it's a self defeating circle.

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As far as the sex trade, there are plenty of people involved who have not undergone such a procedure, so how does one account for them?
The point here was marginalization. Almost no one in the sex trade set out to become a sex worker. They found themselves trapped in some situation with no other way to survive. You wind up on the fringes of society and once there it can be difficult if not impossible to find a way back.

If an attractive, reasonably intelligent young woman from the mid west can go to LA looking for stardom, only to wind up as a prostitute in Las Vegas, I would suggest, for someone already on the edge of society, simply being gay, much less transgendered, the trip is much much shorter.
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Well? You intend to answer my question or not? Who is not ALLOWING you to discuss this?
I will take or not as my final answer. Not really wanting to play that stupid game with you today.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 08:01 AM   #19
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I will take or not as my final answer. Not really wanting to play that stupid game with you today.
Gee, all you had to say was the you obviously do not understand what the word "allow" means.

You will "take or not" WHAT as your final answer????
"Game???" You state that you are not allowed to discuss a certain issue, while in the middle of discussing it, and you want to accuse ME of "playing a stupid game?" That's rather funny.
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We do? Is the definition of not normal abnormal?
Well first, we need to discuss what is actually "normal", do we not ?? We have never gotten away from our puritanical roots. Modern Christianity with it's constant obsession with all things sexual has perpetuated the perception.

If you walk up to the average person on the street, put them "on the record" concerning their sex life, you're going to get the standard, "safe and normal" answers to any questions you might ask.

However, anonymous surveys and studies have repeatedly shown a very significant divide between what we perceive as "normal" and what actually happens when people get together for sex. There's an even greater divide between what actually happens and what people fantasize about.

The Ashley Madison breach proves this. They had 37 MILLION users and that's just one website. There are thousands of websites dedicated to every preference, fantasy and fetish know to God and man. 50 Shades of Grey has sold 100 MILLION copies. 45 Million in the US alone. That means 40% plus of the adult females in this country have read that book !!

I'd bet my next paycheck, if we could see what your family, close friends, church members and coworkers were actually doing in the bedroom (and God knows where else) YOU'D be shocked and amazed !!!! If you learned their deepest darkest fantasies, you'd probably have a heart attack.

My point being, there is a huge divide between what we perceive as normal and the reality of our sex lives. If this is true, then is being gay or even transgendered really that far out of the norm ??

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"Its" a consenting adult? You just accused me of marginalizing anyone that doesn't fit into a neat little box then referred to a human being as an it?
Well, sorry, bad writing there. I wasn't referring to Jenner specifically as an IT !! Rereading what I wrote I can see where you would think that.

I was merely asking when its (meaning it is, referring to an activity) by a consenting adult, why do you care ?

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Why do I care? Gee I don't know if we was talking about homeless people and their mental illness would you still be screaming why do I care? You proved my point about the PC police eloquently. Although referring to a transgender person as an "it" was a little surprising.
You're comparing apples and watermelons there. I care about the homeless because I have compassion for people who can't help themselves. Being mentally ill to the point of being unable care for themselves, is beyond their control. Being transgendered doesn't debilitate you. I know a TG. She would rather be a he. He went to college, has a job, pays his rent, has a girlfriend, and is other wise completely normal and surprising well adjusted. Of course he had the luxury of an accepting and supportive family. Many gays and TG do not.

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Then again you are a rootin tootin gun packing liberal, which does beg to question rather or not you have a identity crisis
And that just confounds the hell out of you doesn't it ??? Which further proves my point. There are people right here are this board that paint the opposite party with some very large brushes. No one is ALWAYS this, or ALWAYS that.

I care about the homeless, I care about the environment and I damned sure don't want the local Baptist preacher in the public schools forcing my kids to pray. But, I'm also very anti-illegal immigrant and, as you pointed out, I do own guns and have my carry permit.

There are some things I just don't worry about because they are NONE of my business. People's sex lives are one of those things. As long as you aren't insisting I join you, or worse passing laws saying I must join you, I truly don't care what you and your chosen partner do. Likewise if I and a consenting female chose to engage in a little fantasy play, WHY would you object ? How is our activity going to have an effect on your life ??
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