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Old August 27th, 2015, 05:39 PM   #31
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we are not born 'tabula rasa', thats an outdated idea. we are born each unique and with a great capacity to learn, but with a significant ammount of our brains capacity predetermined. this might suck, but thats tough, its reality.

in most cases those people who are chromosomally XX are female and those who are XY are male. but there are rare occasions where the Y chromosome is 'inactive' and the individual can be XY female. and there are rare occasions where an X chromosome carries genes usually found on the Y chromosome, so that particular X chromosome acts like a Y chromosome, and the individual is XX male. but we have scanning technology that can identify the gender of a brain, but thats usually not needed because we can just ask the individual "what gender are you?".

wrong premise. there is a large increase in suicidal ideation, attempts, psychiatric problems, etc, pre gender reassignment surgery. then there is a significant improvement in all of this once surgery has been done. the rates of psychiatric problems dont drop to normal levels, but they do drop. as i said, when you grow up the 'wrong' gender it is hard, it leaves scars, there is baggage you carry as an adult, even post surgery.

case by case, yes, there are certainly individuals who follow the course you just outlined here. there are also people who have surgery and find it a tremendous relief and they are much happier and the suicidal ideas disappear. and there are those who ponder surgery but dont go all the way and just use hormones and other measures. and there are some who suicide out of the blue because of being transgender, but they have not ever told anybody, so we dont know that being transgender was the reason.

suicide is rare, which makes it hard to study. suicide in a small population like the transgender community is very rare, only a handful of actual instances, so research is sparse. what the research does show is that psychiatric problems in transgendered people pre surgery are common, this reduces post surgery, but not to baseline levels.
Thank you for the education, presuming you are qualified in this field of genetics. There is a lot about the transgender phenomena that I don't know, so I can only ask questions and try to not sit in judgement. But you're right about being wary of sweeping stereotypes and generalities. It really IS a case-by-case analysis.
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Thank you for the education, presuming you are qualified in this field of genetics. There is a lot about the transgender phenomena that I don't know, so I can only ask questions and try to not sit in judgement. But you're right about being wary of sweeping stereotypes and generalities. It really IS a case-by-case analysis.
there is a certain amount we know and there is a lot that nobody knows. it is rare, and each situation is different, so generalities are hard to come by. probably the best approach is to just treat transgendered people as human beings.
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there is a certain amount we know and there is a lot that nobody knows. it is rare, and each situation is different, so generalities are hard to come by. probably the best approach is to just treat transgendered people as human beings.
I'm up for that.
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And your psychology degree is from.....?
Do you really need one?
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there is a certain amount we know and there is a lot that nobody knows. it is rare, and each situation is different, so generalities are hard to come by. probably the best approach is to just treat transgendered people as human beings.
wow - what an original concept! /sarcasm

Thank you for being a voice of reason in this absurd and childishly uninformed debate.
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Do you really need one?
Well no, not if you want to go by personal opinions and bias and ignore facts, biology and science. DUUUUUUHHHHh......
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I think we have to do it. I'm so tired of that transgender propaganda. There is no such thing as a 'transgender' person. A transgender is just a pervert with fake tits and completely ruined health. Why do we pretend that transgenders really exist?
First you talk about wanting to treat them as mentally ill.
Then you turn around and insist they don't "really exist".
A contradiction in logic. Like somebody insisting that a cold is a disease, but then that those who claim to be suffering from it are faking.

The only thing that truly comes across is your prejudice on the matter.

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Do you really need one?
If somebody is talking about classifying something as a mental illness, then I would think yes.

Would you trust somebody who has no medical training to declare you had a disease? And then try to tell you that the disease doesn't exist?

Too many people with no intelligible comprehension of what "mental illness" is try to declare things as "mental illness" based on their dislike of that thing.
If a person doesn't know what "mental illness" is in the first place, it's folly to try to insist they can classify something as such.
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Well no, not if you want to go by personal opinions and bias and ignore facts, biology and science. DUUUUUUHHHHh......
So you automatically assume, we who do not have degrees in any of those areas are ignorant of the subject? If that be the case, maybe you shouldn't post any remarks...about anything. DUUUUUHHHH!
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First you talk about wanting to treat them as mentally ill.
Then you turn around and insist they don't "really exist".
A contradiction in logic. Like somebody insisting that a cold is a disease, but then that those who claim to be suffering from it are faking.

The only thing that truly comes across is your prejudice on the matter.


If somebody is talking about classifying something as a mental illness, then I would think yes.

Would you trust somebody who has no medical training to declare you had a disease? And then try to tell you that the disease doesn't exist?

Too many people with no intelligible comprehension of what "mental illness" is try to declare things as "mental illness" based on their dislike of that thing.
If a person doesn't know what "mental illness" is in the first place, it's folly to try to insist they can classify something as such.
Why yes? Because some group tells you, you don't have the necessary training to recognize a person with mental health problems? That's absurd.
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So you automatically assume, we who do not have degrees in any of those areas are ignorant of the subject? If that be the case, maybe you shouldn't post any remarks...about anything. DUUUUUHHHH!
Nope. I assume that you are not qualified to offer a diagnoses of any mental illness. I am not ignorant concerning the illness of cancer, but I am certainly not going to claim a qualified oncologist is not required to give an accurate diagnoses.
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