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Old August 28th, 2015, 10:01 AM   #41
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wow - what an original concept! /sarcasm

Thank you for being a voice of reason in this absurd and childishly uninformed debate.
Which is why we cant have this discussion on here. Because it becomes a debate.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 10:02 AM   #42
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Nope. I assume that you are not qualified to offer a diagnoses of any mental illness. I am not ignorant concerning the illness of cancer, but I am certainly not going to claim a qualified oncologist is not required to give an accurate diagnoses.
Assume all you want. When any medical issue is out of the norm, it doesn't take a doctor to tell you something is wrong. If it does, your a moron. It may take a specialist to pinpoint the problem but, if you are not cognizant of issues within yourself, or others, that is out of the norm then you've got the IQ of swamp-gas.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 10:08 AM   #43
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Assume all you want. When any medical issue is out of the norm, it doesn't take a doctor to tell you something is wrong. If it does, your a moron. It may take a specialist to pinpoint the problem but, if you are not cognizant of issues within yourself, or others, that is out of the norm then you've got the IQ of swamp-gas.
You totally miss the fact that in order for you to be able to make that type of determination, you have to work on the assumption that you, yourself are normal.

When one starts with a flawed premise, one usually reaches an incorrect conclusion.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 10:20 AM   #44
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I have this to say then I am done.
We would not question the fact that someone sitting around cutting on themselves is in need of help. Now for argument sake there will be someone on here say oh no, that's ok that is their choice. To which I say bullshit. We, as a public, have no problem with identifying certain people as having a mental problem and coercing them to get help. Attempted suicide, cutting and self mutilation, hell we even get excited when people we know go into a state of not talking and withdrawing. Lets not even get into how many of us identify family members with drinking problem or drug problems. But, when someone decides they want to go have their sex organs removed by a doctor we immediately jump on the politically correct band wagon and say that's their choice and its perfectly normal. Hells bells half this thread has been about questioning what is normal. I say lets take that to the hilt. Addicts, depressed people, teen cutters, no more treatment I say. Lets just say its normal for them to do that and leave it alone. Makes perfect sense to me.

Transgender Suicide Attempt Rates Are Staggering
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Old August 28th, 2015, 10:26 AM   #45
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I have this to say then I am done.
We would not question the fact that someone sitting around cutting on themselves is in need of help. Now for argument sake there will be someone on here say oh no, that's ok that is their choice. To which I say bullshit. We, as a public, have no problem with identifying certain people as having a mental problem and coercing them to get help. Attempted suicide, cutting and self mutilation, hell we even get excited when people we know go into a state of not talking and withdrawing. Lets not even get into how many of us identify family members with drinking problem or drug problems. But, when someone decides they want to go have their sex organs removed by a doctor we immediately jump on the politically correct band wagon and say that's their choice and its perfectly normal. Hells bells half this thread has been about questioning what is normal. I say lets take that to the hilt. Addicts, depressed people, teen cutters, no more treatment I say. Lets just say its normal for them to do that and leave it alone. Makes perfect sense to me.

Transgender Suicide Attempt Rates Are Staggering
Hot dragon addressed the suicide rate situation very well. As to the analogy with people who cut themselves, that is not a valid comparison. Those people do not have a goal with any redeeming feature at all.

Those who choose gender reassignment surgery are working towards a goal they want. You may not agree with their goal, but it is there.
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Assume all you want. When any medical issue is out of the norm, it doesn't take a doctor to tell you something is wrong. If it does, your a moron. It may take a specialist to pinpoint the problem but, if you are not cognizant of issues within yourself, or others, that is out of the norm then you've got the IQ of swamp-gas.
Dude, pretty much anyone can tell SOMETHING is wrong. When qualified professionals are needed is in determining SPECIFICALLY WHAT is wrong and the best way to successfully treat that specific condition without doing even more damage to the patient.
Now please stop arguing just for the sake of having something to argue and fuss and whine about.
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You totally miss the fact that in order for you to be able to make that type of determination, you have to work on the assumption that you, yourself are normal.

When one starts with a flawed premise, one usually reaches an incorrect conclusion.
If not, shouldn't those that are be aware of it?
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Dude, pretty much anyone can tell SOMETHING is wrong. When qualified professionals are needed is in determining SPECIFICALLY WHAT is wrong and the best way to successfully treat that specific condition without doing even more damage to the patient.
Now please stop arguing just for the sake of having something to argue and fuss and whine about.
You started the argument. Apparently you don't like the direction it moving in. Having a doctorate degree is NOT a prerequisite in determining the mental health of an individual.
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Hot dragon addressed the suicide rate situation very well. As to the analogy with people who cut themselves, that is not a valid comparison. Those people do not have a goal with any redeeming feature at all.

Those who choose gender reassignment surgery are working towards a goal they want. You may not agree with their goal, but it is there.
So do people cutting on themselves. They want attention. Oh, wait guess what they have high suicide rates to. Ignore the facts and keep riding that wagon. It is what we do
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If not, shouldn't those that are be aware of it?
Yes, yes they should. I strongly feel they should. I completely agree. You are right about that.
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