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Old September 1st, 2015, 08:59 PM   #81
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this seems a reasonable approach. there are two issues.

firstly, our understanding of the functioning of the human brain is just not good enough to actually achieve this. we know the basics of how the brain works, but there are about 100 billion brain cells each of which connects to about 10 thousand other brain cells. whether you think of yourself as male or female depends on the details of exactly which brain cells are saying what to which other brain cells. we dont know enough about the details to make changes of that sort. compared to brains, human bodies are way simpler. its much easier, in that it is possible, to turn the gender of a body into the other gender. the end result isnt perfect but its pretty good.

the second issue is philosophical. maybe one day we will know enough about the human brain to do what you suggest. the individual (who has chest hair, facial hair, testicles and a penis) doesnt want that treatment. they are a woman and they want to be a woman. they have always felt like a girl and they want to be a girl. making them happy with being a man is changing them. gender reassignment surgery is not changing them, its correcting what they see as the problem.

i stick to the principle that a human being is defined by their brain. this is a simple principle and it keeps my ethic consistent.
I see. Here's another question born of my ignorance. When a man undergoes a "sex change," is he also given ovaries and a uterus, or does he just have the undesirable parts removed and supplement the erroneous chemistry with regular doses of hormones? Because if he doesn't get the full monty, so to speak, it seems to me that he would not "become" a woman, but something in-between.
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I see. Here's another question born of my ignorance. When a man undergoes a "sex change," is he also given ovaries and a uterus, or does he just have the undesirable parts removed and supplement the erroneous chemistry with regular doses of hormones? Because if he doesn't get the full monty, so to speak, it seems to me that he would not "become" a woman, but something in-between.
But that would define woman on the basis of being able to conceive. Are women who have had complete hysterectomies still women in your view?
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I see. Here's another question born of my ignorance. When a man undergoes a "sex change," is he also given ovaries and a uterus, or does he just have the undesirable parts removed and supplement the erroneous chemistry with regular doses of hormones? Because if he doesn't get the full monty, so to speak, it seems to me that he would not "become" a woman, but something in-between.
in the 21st century, in western countries for a patient who can afford it, gender reassignment surgery entails:

high dose hormone treatment. not just putting them on the pill, putting them on about 10 times the dose of the pill. for life.

tracheal shave (makes the vocal cords thinner) to raise the pitch of her voice

usually breast implants. with hormone treatment, breasts will sometimes grow on their own, but usually implants are added.

liposculpture of the hips and waist to get a feminine figure.

permanent hair removal by laser.

removal of testicles.

and the big one. there are several techniques you can use to construct a vagina. the penis is usually not 'chopped off', penis and scrotum are used as the material the vagina is made from. in one common technique the scrotum becomes the labia, and the shaft of the penis is turned inside out so the skin becomes the walls of the vagina. silence of the lambs done with exquisite skill.

the whole process takes years and is done step by step.

it is impossible to create a uterus and ovaries.
all this is very expensive, but those who do it say its worth it.

the breasts, figure, voice, and the overall look is pretty convincing.

the vagina ends up more convincing than you might expect. externally it looks natural, urination happens just like in a natural woman. sex happens just like in a natural woman and the reports i have heard it feels perfectly natural for the male partner. orgasm is possible for the majority. they do need to use a lot more lube and they can never get pregnant but otherwise its all systems go.

are they a woman? my answer is yes, a person is defined by their brain, they were a woman before this procedure. a woman who was born with multiple congenital problems that clever surgeons can fix.

reconstructive surgery was actually a career path i once considered, but the training requirements made it impossible to have that career and a family. i think i would have liked it.
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for those who are interested, the female to male procedure;

hormone treatment. this deals with male pattern hair, male figure, male voice.

removal of breasts

removal of ovaries and uterus.

construction of a penis is very difficult. again, it is a mulit stage process, where possible using the patients body parts as raw materials, but it is not as convincing as the constructed vagina. the labia can be used to create a scrotum and a penis created with skin from somewhere. a common method is to place inside the shaft of the penis a balloon- like tube filled with fluid. there is a manually operated pump placed in the scrotum that can be squeezed to increase the pressure in the balloon, thus producing an erection. the clitoris is moved to the head of the penis, orgasm is often possible.

the female- to- male process is more convincing than the male- to- female procedure when it comes to the body, face, the overall look. when it comes to genitals, the female- to- male process is not as good. penises are many layered and complicated things, much more so than the person they are attached to.
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I see. Here's another question born of my ignorance. When a man undergoes a "sex change," is he also given ovaries and a uterus, or does he just have the undesirable parts removed and supplement the erroneous chemistry with regular doses of hormones? Because if he doesn't get the full monty, so to speak, it seems to me that he would not "become" a woman, but something in-between.
I had my ovaries and uterus removed eight years ago.

I still consider myself to be a woman.
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I had my ovaries and uterus removed eight years ago.

I still consider myself to be a woman.
Of course you're still a woman because of your chromosomes. Bruce Jenner is still a man and always will be.
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Us Christians can assure you all that if Bruce Jenner was right with God he wouldn’t be trying to change himself. The Bible says that God created man in His own image. Bruce Jenner is basically spitting in the God’s face by wanting to become a woman even if he does look good.

No real Christian supports Bruce Jenner because “she’s” basically a lesbian now. We all know what the Bible says about the gay people.

God Bless the original and the way God made Bruce Jenner, Olympian and hero to kids and God Bless the way America used to be.
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Us Christians can assure you all that if Bruce Jenner was right with God he wouldn’t be trying to change himself. The Bible says that God created man in His own image. Bruce Jenner is basically spitting in the God’s face by wanting to become a woman even if he does look good.

No real Christian supports Bruce Jenner because “she’s” basically a lesbian now. We all know what the Bible says about the gay people.

God Bless the original and the way God made Bruce Jenner, Olympian and hero to kids and God Bless the way America used to be.
Why would you think that God has a gender????

I've decided you're not just kidding around here and you expect your posts to be taken as serious.
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... The Bible says that God created man in His own image. ...
So, does god look negroid, asian, caucasian or what?
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