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Old August 29th, 2015, 10:47 AM   #11
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It's right wing thing, when you think the data supports your conclusion you hammer the data, as in Same Sex couples have a higher divorce rate, it proves we should outlaw same sex marriage.
When the actual numbers show the same sex divorce rate is half the Traditional Marriage Divorce rate, the numbers are meaningless....

ObamaCare was going to be a disaster because no one would sign up, costs would skyrocket, the numbers of uninsured would rise, and unemployment would soar. When more people than expected sign up, when costs are lower than projections, when the number of uninsured goes down, and we see the most robust job growth since the 90's. ObamaCare is still a disaster, because those numbers mean nothing.

It's what happens when you live in a fantasy bubble, no matter what happens in the real world, everything in the fantasy bubble is exactly what you expected. So the Zimbabwe style hyperinflation that the right predicted would be the result of Obama's stimulus package, that's happening now, the government is hiding the truth, faking the numbers, the $2.17 I paid for gas this morning was triple what I paid when Bush was in office, right?
It is actually an intellectual and scientific thing.
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Old August 29th, 2015, 10:48 AM   #12
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In my book there are fifty states, and in my book those legally married in Massachusetts were not able to divorce in other states if they relocated. In my book, that makes the data from one state meaningless compared to other states. In my book, as in all books of relevant data, data must be representative of the whole (fifty states), and the data must encompass a time-span long enough to be compared to data with a longer time-span.
Really, you care to give us the numbers of legally married same sex couples from MA that then moved to states where their marriage would not be legally recognized that then tried to divorce but were not allowed to but didn't want to bother to go back to MA to get a divorce?
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Old August 29th, 2015, 10:52 AM   #13
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The percentage of those same-sex couples who end their legal relationship ranges from 0% to 1.8%, or 1.1% on average across all listed jurisdictions per year, while 2% of married opposite-sex couples divorce annually.

However, according to a Washington Post article retracting an earlier headline about the report, the study incorrectly calculated the percentage due to an error in capturing when the same-sex marriages began. As a result, the corrected findings show a 2% divorce rate — the same as married opposite sex couples.
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Old August 29th, 2015, 11:09 AM   #14
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Really, you care to give us the numbers of legally married same sex couples from MA that then moved to states where their marriage would not be legally recognized that then tried to divorce but were not allowed to but didn't want to bother to go back to MA to get a divorce?
I don't have the numbers, but only a fool would believe that no same-sex couple moved from Massachusetts and filed for divorce as this issue was in the courts in several states. But regardless of the numbers, even without that component, you do not have an argument regarding how data is compiled and evaluated.
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Old August 29th, 2015, 11:23 AM   #15
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I don't have the numbers, but only a fool would believe that no same-sex couple moved from Massachusetts and filed for divorce as this issue was in the courts in several states. But regardless of the numbers, even without that component, you do not have an argument regarding how data is compiled and evaluated.
Who said anything about "no same-sex couples"?

I'm asking you to prove that it was a statistically significant amount.

You want to argue that the numbers can't be accurate because of that, but the only way if the numbers are not accurate is if a statistically significant number of couples did what you claim. Can you prove that?
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Old August 29th, 2015, 11:33 AM   #17
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Who said anything about "no same-sex couples"?

I'm asking you to prove that it was a statistically significant amount.

You want to argue that the numbers can't be accurate because of that, but the only way if the numbers are not accurate is if a statistically significant number of couples did what you claim. Can you prove that?
Same-sex couples moving from Massachusetts to another state and being denied a divorce is a competent, but completely irrelevant to using data from Massachusetts as being representative of same-sex divorce rates in the U.S. And I never argued that the numbers can't be accurate because of that. It could be one, which was Jeffrey and Henry Buck, a same-sex couple from Massachusetts being denied a divorce in Texas, or two thousand, neither would make a difference in Massachusetts not being representative of the U.S.
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I don't have the numbers, but only a fool would believe that no same-sex couple moved from Massachusetts and filed for divorce as this issue was in the courts in several states. But regardless of the numbers, even without that component, you do not have an argument regarding how data is compiled and evaluated.
Marriage licenses and divorce decrees are public records.
And most same sex married couples lived in Massachusetts 10 years ago, Romney was doing his conversion from "the best friend gay people ever had in government" to " severely conservative", so he dug up a 1913 law that prohibited marriages in Massachusetts that would be illegal in the couples state of residency. As a result most same sex couples were in Massachusetts, the state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation, and 4th from the bottom in religiosity.
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Marriage licenses and divorce decrees are public records.
And most same sex married couples lived in Massachusetts 10 years ago, Romney was doing his conversion from "the best friend gay people ever had in government" to " severely conservative", so he dug up a 1913 law that prohibited marriages in Massachusetts that would be illegal in the couples state of residency. As a result most same sex couples were in Massachusetts, the state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation, and 4th from the bottom in religiosity.
That is still irrelevant to their being no usable data for the national divorce rate for same-sex couples.
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That is still irrelevant to their being no usable data for the national divorce rate for same-sex couples.
I was responding to a claim that same sex couples had a higher divorce rate than traditional married couples, I pointed out that the numbers didn't indicate that. And I stated it didn't matter what the number was.
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