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Old August 30th, 2007, 06:17 AM   #1
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Do people think homosexuality is morally acceptable?

From the looks of it, it's either unacceptable or not a moral issue. But few people think it's "acceptable".

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From the looks of it, it's either unacceptable or not a moral issue. But few people think it's "acceptable".

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Perhaps it's because in using the terms 'morally acceptable/morally wrong' comes across as a RELIGIOUS question? Which means it's insinuating that your answer should come from a religious perspective?



Which means, by the results you show, that there's a large percentage of those participating, that say being homosexual has absolutely nothing to do with religion (in otherwords, they're seperating their faith's teachings from social issues), so shouldn't be considered a 'moral issue'...While those answering otherwise, are saying it's a 'religious moral issue' based off of their religious views....



Pretty shoddy test there FX...It's all about whether or not religious views should be used to determine whether or not homosexuality is right/wrong? ROTFLMAOL!!! No wonder the group taking the test is PEW Research...they're getting their answers straight from the church pews...



And of course, if the majority of those in the pews are answering strictly from a religious perspective (which is what the test is determing, based off of CHRISTIAN stands on social issues)...Sure there's going to be a higher percentage going strictly from the religious teachings they've had, saying 'it's morally wrong'...



This is the same group that also view Christian theology movies, from the pulpit so to speak, to give it a Christian stamp of approval...The same ones that were used to promote 'Passion of the Christ' and 'The Witch, The Lion, and the Wardrobe'.
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Perhaps it's because in using the terms 'morally acceptable/morally wrong' comes across as a RELIGIOUS question? Which means it's insinuating that your answer should come from a religious perspective?



Not necessarily. An atheist can have morals. I have morals and I'm agnostic. An action is either right or wrong and you make those determinations based on your inner code. If 50% of people can say that homosexuality is morally wrong to them, why can't a certain number say that it's right if they really felt that way. Instead most took the "out" and said it's not an issue. Very telling IMHO.



Which means, by the results you show, that there's a large percentage of those participating, that say being homosexual has absolutely nothing to do with religion (in otherwords, they're seperating their faith's teachings from social issues), so shouldn't be considered a 'moral issue'...While those answering otherwise, are saying it's a 'religious moral issue' based off of their religious views....



And I would say that many did the same for a lot of other actions too. This was part of a much larger poll.

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Pew Research Center: A Barometer of Modern Morals

I find it interesting that the same people that didn't want to weigh in on the homosexuality issue also passed on the abortion one too.

But I guess that's also not a "moral" issue either.



Pretty shoddy test there FX...It's all about whether or not religious views should be used to determine whether or not homosexuality is right/wrong? ROTFLMAOL!!! No wonder the group taking the test is PEW Research...they're getting their answers straight from the church pews...



As you can see, the actual study was just a barometer of how people think and they broke it down into many demographics. I think it was pretty fair and probably mostly accurate. How do you propose they do it better?



And of course, if the majority of those in the pews are answering strictly from a religious perspective (which is what the test is determing, based off of CHRISTIAN stands on social issues)...Sure there's going to be a higher percentage going strictly from the religious teachings they've had, saying 'it's morally wrong'...



Again, they broke it down so that you can see how the different demographic answered. But when you consider a majority of the country follows some religion, wouldn't most people color their answers accordingly?



This is the same group that also view Christian theology movies, from the pulpit so to speak, to give it a Christian stamp of approval...The same ones that were used to promote 'Passion of the Christ' and 'The Witch, The Lion, and the Wardrobe'.
So here again we have an attack on the "group" or the "website" instead of just dealing with the information. Why does that always happen? Did you actually read the methodology and find a problem with it? Just curious.
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So here again we have an attack on the "group" or the "website" instead of just dealing with the information. Why does that always happen? Did you actually read the methodology and find a problem with it? Just curious.


They omitted an extremely important option. "None of my business".
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Interestingly, I think that the options of "not a moral issue" and "depends" should both be considered pretty much the same thing as "morally acceptable." In fact, I personally might choose any one of those three.



After all, a person who picks "not a moral issue" should not see anything morally wrong with homosexuality, which is exactly my view. In my opinion, homosexuality is not, by its nature, a good or bad thing. It could be good if it is used in a fashion which makes people's lives better, or it could be bad if it is used in a fashion which makes people's lives worse.



So, given my view, which of the three should I choose? I agree that it's not a moral issue. I agree that it's acceptable behavior. And I agree that it's morality depends on how it is used.



Similarly, I don't think anyone who views homosexuality as morally wrong would correctly choose any of those three options.



So for all intents and purposes, what these numbers seem to tell us is that 50% of people believe homosexuality is morally wrong, while 50% of people believe otherwise. And that sounds about right.



Actually, I should have suspected that the number of people who believe homosexuality is morally wrong would be higher than 50%. Regardless, those people are wrong.
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So here again we have an attack on the "group" or the "website" instead of just dealing with the information. Why does that always happen? Did you actually read the methodology and find a problem with it? Just curious.


I'm not attacking the group...I'm pointing out that it's a group that only polls Christians. That group came about specifically to poll Christians, to give them a voice in social issues, media issues, etc...



They just had a special on them a few months back, on the History Channel in fact, as to why they created this polling group. That's how I knew about their movie polls. And as they stated, to give a voice to Christians poll wise, on a variety of subjects from what is morally accepted within their group. Heck, they make no excuses that they use their polls to make or break movies that they feel aren't 'morally acceptable'. ROTFLMAOL!!! And if their constigency doesn't like what Hollywood is making, they'll make their own films (and do by the way)...



You're showing a poll, that is discussing the 'morality of homosexuality'...A poll designed by a group to poll Christians specifically. Your poll isn't showing the feelings of non-Christians, just a SELECT group of people in our society.



That isn't speaking ill of the poll or the group...Just points out that WHEN the subjects of a poll come from a limited/select group of individuals, the results are going to point to what that group's teachings are...In this case, Christians are being polled, which means that of course they'll say it's 'morally unacceptable' to be homosexual...Cause the majority of Christians are taught exactly that sentiment.



So when you're saying that 'the majority of people feel it's morally unacceptable', you're actually saying 'the majority of CHRISTIANS feel it's morally unacceptable'...



You were painting it as this was how the majority of AMERICANS feel, when that's false and only represents the majority of Christians that were polled, not Americans polled.
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Interesting - just last night on that new Power 10 game show where the contestant has to guess U.S. citizens' attitudes and/or actions, one of the questions was how many people in the U.S. think that homosexuality is inborn. The answer was in the upper 50's.



Different polls - different questions, different answers, different findings



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So when you're saying that 'the majority of people feel it's morally unacceptable', you're actually saying 'the majority of CHRISTIANS feel it's morally unacceptable'..


I don't know. There is no question, Christians are the vast majority of Americans. If over half the country have no problem with gays (as found on polls other than fxashun's), most of those people would be CHristian.



I did find it intersting on fxashun's poll that as people got more education, the less they were likely to be bigoted. Interesting. Wonder why?
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From the looks of it, it's either unacceptable or not a moral issue. But few people think it's "acceptable".

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Oh no, another shit stirring thread!
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I did find it intersting on fxashun's poll that as people got more education, the less they were likely to be bigoted. Interesting. Wonder why?


Question asked, question answered.
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So, we're biggoted against uneducated people now?
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