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Old October 23rd, 2017, 09:02 PM   #21
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From your article.

The legislation legally protects anyone who refuses marriage-related services because of these beliefs.


This is not about refusing any service at all to a gay person. This about performing marriages or other participations in marriage services. Ala decorate a wedding cake or some equal participation in a marriage service.

Why are you people choosing to distort the facts instead of being intellectually honest?
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 09:36 PM   #22
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And on top of it, it is only a bill. Its not a law yet. You say: Its now legal..."

Again you are not being honest.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 09:56 PM   #24
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And on top of it, it is only a bill. Its not a law yet. You say: Its now legal..."

Again you are not being honest.
Actually it was passed, it was stayed by a federal court. The federal court then ruled this past summer that the people bringing the action lacked standing to do so. The law is now in effect
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 10:18 PM   #25
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What disgusts me about the right-wing approach to threads like this is how they fixate, myopically, on one thing and then that's all they want to talk about...
The law is called HB 1523, and it covers everything from housing to education to medical care to government services. Queer people never had many protections in Mississippi, but the passage of this bill specifically gives a green light to discriminatory practices.
Simple fact.
But all the right-wingers in this thread want to do is talk about whether or not "rights" are involved.



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And on top of it, it is only a bill. Its not a law yet. You say: Its now legal..."
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Actually it was passed, it was stayed by a federal court. The federal court then ruled this past summer that the people bringing the action lacked standing to do so. The law is now in effect
For Pete's sake...
Curly and Moe being corrected by Larry ...
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justoneman's claim that it is only a bill is woefully outdated.
On April 5, 2016, Governor Phil Bryant signed the bill.[1] The bill went into effect on July 1, 2016.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...mmodations_Act

Last news confirms guy39's assessment. There is an attempt to appeal it to SCOTUS, but the law is in effect for now...
HB 1523 being appealed to US Supreme Court | The Sun Herald

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Old October 23rd, 2017, 11:37 PM   #26
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Businesses should have the right to serve or not serve anyone who walks in their door, much like the right of a homeowner to allow or not allow people in their home. While I think it is foolish in most circumstances, it does tie the owner to be able to evict or not allow riff raff they don't want who might ruin their business.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rriage-lawsuit

Look at what happened in Oregon. Two lesbians as part of an LGBT sting sought out businesses of Christians to be denied service so they can sue. The victims of this LGBT scheme were found guilty by a kangeroo court and order to pay these two lesbian creeps $135,000, which bankrupted and ruined these people, and not only that, subjected these bakery owners to violence and death threats. I mean, if someone doesn't want to serve you and take your money, take yourself to another place which will and vent your anger at the situation online, like on "Yelp".

Homosexuals are not a persecuted minority. Homosexuals control the government, industry and entertainment in the United States. Look what happened after the state of North Carolina passed a law stating that people of their birth gender can only use public facilities of the gender of their birth. The homosexuals and their mafia (LGBT), went nuts and coordinated a boycott of the state, with many sporting events, concert events and companies and corporations pulling out their money from the state. That's power and huge power.

This is what these religious liberty bills are about, to keep LGBT from suing innocent people and using the government as extortionists. "religious liberty" is a bad name, it should be referred to as the "Anti-LGBT extortion bill".

Homosexuals have the rights of anyone else. They can get married, join the military, sign legal contracts. The militant LGBT homosexuals are narcissists who are always "Me, me, me, me." to the detriment of everyone else. Sexuality should be a private affair, and there is no need to march naked down the street half naked with your ass hanging out and expect and demand the rest of us to stand up and applaud.

The fast food chain Chickfila is another great example. The owner of the chain made his own opinion that marriage should be between a man and a woman. The homosexuals and the LGBT went apeshit again and started a war against them. Never mind that the Chickfila owner said nothing against homosexuals at all. And again, if a company makes you angry or don't like them or their policies, do not go there. Very simple.

It would be wonderful if all the so called "Civil Rights Acts" went away and again allow businesses to sell who they wish and deny who they do not want. This is called FREEDOM. Look it up.
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Businesses should have the right to serve or not serve anyone who walks in their door, much like the right of a homeowner to allow or not allow people in their home. While I think it is foolish in most circumstances, it does tie the owner to be able to evict or not allow riff raff they don't want who might ruin their business.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rriage-lawsuit

Look at what happened in Oregon. Two lesbians as part of an LGBT sting sought out businesses of Christians to be denied service so they can sue. The victims of this LGBT scheme were found guilty by a kangeroo court and order to pay these two lesbian creeps $135,000, which bankrupted and ruined these people, and not only that, subjected these bakery owners to violence and death threats. I mean, if someone doesn't want to serve you and take your money, take yourself to another place which will and vent your anger at the situation online, like on "Yelp".
Jesus Christ the lies are prolific.
This was not part of any "LGBT sting". They were seeking to get married.
This was no "kangaroo court". A law was passed forbidding public business discrimination. This law protected based on sexual orientation and provided protection similar to the statutes in the 1964 Civil Rights Act which protect against racial, religious, national origin, etc based discrimination.
They were not "bankrupted" nor "ruined". They raised over $352K which well exceeded the fines.
Oregon bakery that refused to make gay wedding cake raises $352K - POLITICO

And "if someone doesn't want to serve you"...

As mentioned, we have had the 1964 Civil Rights Act on the books for well over 50 years which prevents anybody from discriminating against Christians because they are Christian.
But of course, right-wingers NEVER complain about that protection.
ONLY about the gays...
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 11:44 PM   #28
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Businesses should have the right to serve or not serve anyone who walks in their door, much like the right of a homeowner to allow or not allow people in their home. While I think it is foolish in most circumstances, it does tie the owner to be able to evict or not allow riff raff they don't want who might ruin their business.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rriage-lawsuit

Look at what happened in Oregon. Two lesbians as part of an LGBT sting sought out businesses of Christians to be denied service so they can sue. The victims of this LGBT scheme were found guilty by a kangeroo court and order to pay these two lesbian creeps $135,000, which bankrupted and ruined these people, and not only that, subjected these bakery owners to violence and death threats. I mean, if someone doesn't want to serve you and take your money, take yourself to another place which will and vent your anger at the situation online, like on "Yelp".

Homosexuals are not a persecuted minority. Homosexuals control the government, industry and entertainment in the United States. Look what happened after the state of North Carolina passed a law stating that people of their birth gender can only use public facilities of the gender of their birth. The homosexuals and their mafia (LGBT), went nuts and coordinated a boycott of the state, with many sporting events, concert events and companies and corporations pulling out their money from the state. That's power and huge power.

This is what these religious liberty bills are about, to keep LGBT from suing innocent people and using the government as extortionists. "religious liberty" is a bad name, it should be referred to as the "Anti-LGBT extortion bill".

Homosexuals have the rights of anyone else. They can get married, join the military, sign legal contracts. The militant LGBT homosexuals are narcissists who are always "Me, me, me, me." to the detriment of everyone else. Sexuality should be a private affair, and there is no need to march naked down the street half naked with your ass hanging out and expect and demand the rest of us to stand up and applaud.

The fast food chain Chickfila is another great example. The owner of the chain made his own opinion that marriage should be between a man and a woman. The homosexuals and the LGBT went apeshit again and started a war against them. Never mind that the Chickfila owner said nothing against homosexuals at all. And again, if a company makes you angry or don't like them or their policies, do not go there. Very simple.

It would be wonderful if all the so called "Civil Rights Acts" went away and again allow businesses to sell who they wish and deny who they do not want. This is called FREEDOM. Look it up.
Thats some powerful stuff
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Thats some powerful stuff
Yes. It is...
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Old October 24th, 2017, 12:12 AM   #30
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It’s Now Legal in Mississippi to Deny Service to Any Person You Think Could Be Gay

Written by Matt Baume on October 21, 2017

Mississippi’s never been known for welcoming queer people, but the state just outdid itself. This month, one of the most sweeping anti-LGBT laws in the country went into effect. Despite the best efforts of civil rights leaders to hold it back, it’s now legal for individuals, businesses and government officials to deny any service to any person they think might be queer.

And that’s only the beginning.

The Mississippi anti-LGBT law is dangerous bigotry

The Mississippi law goes beyond just calling out LGBT people as specific targets of discrimination. It allows anyone to refuse services to straight people who they suspect have had sex outside of marriage. It’s hard to believe it could be real — but it is.

The law is called HB 1523, and it covers everything from housing to education to medical care to government services. Queer people never had many protections in Mississippi, but the passage of this bill specifically gives a green light to discriminatory practices.

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It’s spreading

Mississippi isn’t alone in passing such draconian policies. A few years before marriage equality became the law of the land, conservative activists could sense that they were on the losing side of history. So at the 2014 Value Voters Summit, organizers plotted to pass bills around the country that could bypass marriage equality.

The laws, which have been going into effect all over the country, are simple enough. Rather than ban marriage equality, they prohibit any punishment for people who discriminate against same-sex couples. In other words, LGBT couples can get married — they just can’t expect equal treatment.

Sometimes, these “license to discriminate” laws attract enough attention that there’s a public outcry. Other times, legal advocates intervene and try to push back. In Mississippi, lawyers who fought for the freedom to marry are now fighting to prevent HB 1523 from sticking around. But until they get a ruling, the law is in effect statewide.


A national version of the Mississippi anti-LGBT law could be coming soon

Even worse, similar policies are under consideration at the federal level. Every since Republicans came to power, top federal officials have been pushing for a nationwide “license to discriminate.” That includes Attorney General Jeff Sessions at the Department of Justice, who recently issued guidelines that are vague enough to open the door to a national “turn away the gays” policy.

That means that even if you live in a state with nondiscrimination protection, you could soon lose any guarantee of safety. You could be evicted for being gay, or expelled from a public school. You could be refused a ride in an ambulance when you need medical care. You could be denied a home loan, fired or kicked off of a bus.

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Never lived or worked in Mississippi but drove through it in 1971 on the way to the left coast driving a 1959 Volkswagen bug with wife and daughter, pulling a U-Haul trailer which the rear bumper fell off in Texas. I repaired the VW rear bumper using water and muffler clamps and we made it to Long Beach.

edit: it's the struggle that gives the will to survive

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