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Old December 6th, 2017, 10:20 AM   #41
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You think that what you state are facts...this is what Barry Goldwater (Republican) was warning us about 30 years ago!

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
Oh yes Preachers have control of the republican party! What an infantile thing to believe. You know what people of faith believe, we believe in right, and wrong, black, and white no gray area. Moral absolutes!
Do you know that you just provided an example of what Goldwater said and Nwolfe posted? Do you know.

Compromise is gray area. You claim "christians" don't believe in gray area.

That's how you and your kin with your interpretation of Christian theology are destroying our Republic .
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Old December 6th, 2017, 10:21 AM   #42
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Do you know that you just provided an example of what Goldwater said and Nwolfe posted? Do you know.

Compromise is gray area. You claim "christians" don't believe in gray area.

That's how you and your kin with your interpretation of Christian theology are destroying our Republic .

we don't that is why we say Homosexuality is a sin.

But also stand by the fact Murder as this pastor called for is also a sin.

That is why Christians in the buckle of the Bible Belt stood up against the Westboro hate mongers.
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Old December 6th, 2017, 10:28 AM   #43
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Do you know that you just provided an example of what Goldwater said and Nwolfe posted? Do you know.

Compromise is gray area. You claim "christians" don't believe in gray area.

That's how you and your kin with your interpretation of Christian theology are destroying our Republic .
Nonsense is murder always murder or is there a gray area?

The Republic was founded by men who believed in moral absolutes.
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Read Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and James Madison. They wanted our secular government and religion separate. Both from the point of government mixing in religion and religion mixing in government. They recognized that allowing one would lead to the other. The only way to prohibit one was to prohibit both.
Madison: "What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical [of or relating to a church] establishments had on Civil Society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been seen the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty may have found an established Clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just Government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."

Washington: "Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."
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Read Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and James Madison. They wanted our secular government and religion separate. Both from the point of government mixing in religion and religion mixing in government. They recognized that allowing one would lead to the other. The only way to prohibit one was to prohibit both.
What they were opposed to was a state run religion, where all had to follow one religion, they wanted you, and I, to have the freedom to worship as we see fit, or not to at all, period.
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Nonsense is murder always murder or is there a gray area?

The Republic was founded by men who believed in moral absolutes.
1. Prove that.
2. IF you can prove it to be fact, so what?
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Most statistics tell us that nearly 50% of Americans have no church home. In the 1980s, membership in the church had dropped almost 10%; then, in the 1990s, it worsened by another 12% drop-some denominations reporting a 40% drop in their membership. And membership continues to drop.

According to the U.S. Census, every year more than 4000 churches close their doors compared to just over 1000 new church starts! Every year, 2.7 million church members fall into inactivity. This translates into the realization that people are leaving the church.

AND there are lots of reasons. For one thing, Christians are fed up with TV evangelical preachers who live lavish lifestyles. They are fully aware of the hypocrisy they preach and want nothing to do with that kind of hubris.
Many Christians see our morally bankrupt political leaders who proclaim to be Christian and hate what they see. There's a huge disconnect between what the church is preaching and what they are doing....what the preachers are preaching and what they are doing.....what the politicians and leaders are saying and what they are doing.
There's an arrogance within SOME Christian communities that smells more like hell than heaven.
Churches FAIL because people place their own needs and desires over God's word. Selfishness is pervasive. Christians are called to a higher purpose, not to ourselves....and every single time a "Christian" considers him/herself to be privy to Gods inner workings, we want to walk away.
So, many DO....walk away. Many. Each day.
Yes, but they are taking their spiritual beliefs and convictions SOMEWHERE. The fact that they are fed up with the hypocrisy (as am I) is a sure indication that they regard their convictions as important. What I see when I look around my community and others is a constant springing up of new, smaller non-mainstream churches holding meetings in non-traditional places. I suspect they're not bailing on faith, but on worn-out traditional forms of worship.
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the ten commandments do not condemn murder

the commandment condemns killing

the government does it daily - in wars, in keeping people from health care, in allowing tobacco to be produced and sold, in capital punishment

but I'm sure they pray first, so it's okay
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What they were opposed to was a state run religion, where all had to follow one religion, they wanted you, and I, to have the freedom to worship as we see fit, or not to at all, period.
And in being opposed to a “state run religion” they also opposed a “religion run state”. If you have one then you have the other.
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Do you know that you just provided an example of what Goldwater said and Nwolfe posted? Do you know.

Compromise is gray area. You claim "christians" don't believe in gray area.

That's how you and your kin with your interpretation of Christian theology are destroying our Republic .


Did he just say the GOP believes in moral absolutes?

Is it April Fool's Day already??
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