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Old August 25th, 2012, 09:07 PM   #1
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I have had a hard time coming to peace with the fact that shootings like this one, and the others, are part and parcel of a nation conceived around the tenet of Liberty. Gun laws that apply only to law-abiding citizens are worse than a joke. They're criminal.



Both parties use the issue of gun control for political advantage. F*ck both of them. Gun control isn't an issue. Beyond responsible legal limitations, similar to but more comprehensive than those that apply to buying alcohol and tobacco, gun control doesn't apply, according to the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. The issue isn't an issue.



So, like it or not, shootings are a result of Liberty. Actually, I'm sure no one "likes" this fact, but a fact it is. In a society that values Liberty highest, shootings will result.



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[background=rgb(254, 254, 254)]NYC shootings strike a city that prizes tourism




[background=rgb(254, 254, 254)]NEW YORK ó New York officials proudly tout the Big Apple as the safest big city in America. But blasts of gunfire near two of the city's best-known destinations this month have painted a picture at odds with its tame, tourist friendly image.



[background=rgb(254, 254, 254)]A gunman with a workplace grudge shot a former co-worker dead outside the Empire State Building on Friday, then was killed by police as nine bystanders were wounded. Police confronted a knife-wielding man in Times Square on Aug. 11 and shot him to death a few blocks away.





[background=rgb(254, 254, 254)]Experts say the violence might not leave a lasting mark on the public's view of New York. And some tourists agree.





[background=rgb(254, 254, 254)]Zurich, Switzerland, resident Louie Echave says it's not fair to call New York unsafe because of one person's actions.
http://www.cbsnews.c...prizes-tourism/



A shooting like this is no reason to ramp up fear. And then, I gotta say, whatever the odds are against my being fatally struck on the head by a meteor, if a meteor hits me on the head I'm going to be one dead MFer.



That's way life is, always weighing out the risks and benefits. Imo, Liberty is worth considerable risk.
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Old August 26th, 2012, 12:03 AM   #2
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Well there is an alternative. We could be like Mexico where it is illegal to own guns. Of course our two countries have very different histories, values and cultures but we do have much in common as well. Probably more in common than people realize.



Here in the U.S. we rely on the police and other agencies to protect us from the bad guys. They donít have that in Mexico. And the closer you get to the border you realize we donít have as much protection here in the U.S. as most people would like to think either. Youíd be hard pressed to find anybody that lives or works near the border that isnít packing heat. Still, that doesnít stop the bad guys from routinely leaving their safe haven in Mexico and venturing over the border to take a look around.



So what would happen if we decided to pull another Fast & Furious in Mexico, but this time arm the citizens? Would they suddenly have more liberty?
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Well there is an alternative. We could be like Mexico where it is illegal to own guns. Of course our two countries have very different histories, values and cultures but we do have much in common as well. Probably more in common than people realize.



Here in the U.S. we rely on the police and other agencies to protect us from the bad guys. They donít have that in Mexico. And the closer you get to the border you realize we donít have as much protection here in the U.S. as most people would like to think either. Youíd be hard pressed to find anybody that lives or works near the border that isnít packing heat. Still, that doesnít stop the bad guys from routinely leaving their safe haven in Mexico and venturing over the border to take a look around.



So what would happen if we decided to pull another Fast & Furious in Mexico, but this time arm the citizens? Would they suddenly have more liberty?


Probably so.
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