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Old May 6th, 2014, 07:00 AM   #1
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a load that does not recoil too much for the lightweight, compact pistol likely to actually be present when you need a gun. There is only one way to achieve real power, yet leave such a gun able to get the 6-7 hits per second speed likely to be needed. Most shots in combat miss the man entirely, for reasons of movement, bad light, blast, flash, fear, use of cover, defender already injured, etc. Multiple attackers are common. Most hits are poor hits, too. So speed of repeat hitting is essential

there are only 2 ways to increase hitting effect(without exploding your gun) a heavier bullet at the same velocity as before or a MUCH lighter bullet, at MUCH more velocity. The recoil increases with increases in the momentum of the load or reductions in gun weight. It's soon too much recoild to allow for rapid fire control. With a 45 gr bullet at 2200 fps, (feet per second velocity) in a pocket 9mm, you have 500 ft lbs of power, vs the 158 gr bullet at 800 fps from a .38 snub (which rarely expands in flesh) the latter has 250 ft lbs. If the 9mm bullet is well designed, it will use all of that power within the attacker. the .38 load normally overpenetrates, wasting a lot of its power (which was not much to begin with).

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Old May 6th, 2014, 04:05 PM   #2
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a load that does not recoil too much for the lightweight, compact pistol likely to actually be present when you need a gun. There is only one way to achieve real power, yet leave such a gun able to get the 6-7 hits per second speed likely to be needed. Most shots in combat miss the man entirely, for reasons of movement, bad light, blast, flash, fear, use of cover, defender already injured, etc. Multiple attackers are common. Most hits are poor hits, too. So speed of repeat hitting is essential

there are only 2 ways to increase hitting effect(without exploding your gun) a heavier bullet at the same velocity as before or a MUCH lighter bullet, at MUCH more velocity. The recoil increases with increases in the momentum of the load or reductions in gun weight. It's soon too much recoild to allow for rapid fire control. With a 45 gr bullet at 2200 fps, (feet per second velocity) in a pocket 9mm, you have 500 ft lbs of power, vs the 158 gr bullet at 800 fps from a .38 snub (which rarely expands in flesh) the latter has 250 ft lbs. If the 9mm bullet is well designed, it will use all of that power within the attacker. the .38 load normally overpenetrates, wasting a lot of its power (which was not much to begin with).
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Old May 9th, 2014, 08:01 PM   #3
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a load that does not recoil too much for the lightweight, compact pistol likely to actually be present when you need a gun. There is only one way to achieve real power, yet leave such a gun able to get the 6-7 hits per second speed likely to be needed. Most shots in combat miss the man entirely, for reasons of movement, bad light, blast, flash, fear, use of cover, defender already injured, etc. Multiple attackers are common. Most hits are poor hits, too. So speed of repeat hitting is essential

there are only 2 ways to increase hitting effect(without exploding your gun) a heavier bullet at the same velocity as before or a MUCH lighter bullet, at MUCH more velocity. The recoil increases with increases in the momentum of the load or reductions in gun weight. It's soon too much recoild to allow for rapid fire control. With a 45 gr bullet at 2200 fps, (feet per second velocity) in a pocket 9mm, you have 500 ft lbs of power, vs the 158 gr bullet at 800 fps from a .38 snub (which rarely expands in flesh) the latter has 250 ft lbs. If the 9mm bullet is well designed, it will use all of that power within the attacker. the .38 load normally overpenetrates, wasting a lot of its power (which was not much to begin with).
Actually a .45 travels around 800 fps. and usually only one hit is sufficient to put down a perp.
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