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Old September 2nd, 2015, 11:48 AM   #1
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The Under-Reported Truth Behind Most Mass Shootings

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Horrific mass shootings, like Dylann Roof’s church rampage in Charleston and Vester Flanagan’s on-air murders in Roanoke, Virginia grab headlines, but when David Conley broke into his ex-girlfriend Valerie Jackson’s home in Houston, Texas on August 8 and allegedly shot her and her six children to death, it was treated as an act of domestic violence, and got considerably less attention. But it was by any definition a mass shooting.

This is the untold story behind many mass shootings. Fifty-seven percent of mass shootings in America between 2009 and July 2015 involved a family member or intimate partner; 81 percent of the victims were women and children, the Huffington Post recently found.

There is no standard definition of a mass shooting, but generally it is understood to be a shooting of four or more people. Even under this definition, domestic violence killings make up the majority of mass shootings.

For years, we’ve come to consider a mass shooter as a gun-toting suspect, almost always male, who enters a public space and kills many people, most of them strangers. In fact, most shootings occur in private place where the victims know their murderer, and his violent propensities, all too well. And the killings are rarely random.

Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, says the reason Americans aren’t drawing a connection between domestic violence and mass shootings is because most state legislatures and our Congress are made up of men who are failing to see the link. There is also the insidious victim-blaming that says women can and should avoid knowing or becoming involved with violent men.

“They’re not making the policies that protect our communities and our families and our sisters and mothers and daughters,” Watts told AlterNet. “Those policies are being made mainly by people who aren’t being impacted by domestic violence. ”
It blows my mind how little power women have. I'd get so frustrated, I'd scream at every man I saw.
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Horrific mass shootings, like Dylann Roof’s church rampage in Charleston and Vester Flanagan’s on-air murders in Roanoke, Virginia grab headlines, but when David Conley broke into his ex-girlfriend Valerie Jackson’s home in Houston, Texas on August 8 and allegedly shot her and her six children to death, it was treated as an act of domestic violence, and got considerably less attention. But it was by any definition a mass shooting.
Leave it to altnernet and LW to be this ignorant regarding the law. There is no criminal statute for a mass shooting. Conley has been indicted on three counts of capital murder, which is punishable by death. This is the same crime that Dylann Roof was charged with except it was nine charges of murder.
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Federal law bars domestic abusers who have been convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence from owning guns. But these laws are far from adequate. The law generally protects spouses, co-parents or intimate partners who live together, not dating partners. Though 69 percent of intimate partner homicides were committed by a spouse in 1980, the number of murders committed by a dating partner rose to nearly 50 percent by 2008. Only 10 states have gun bans against misdemeanor domestic violence abusers who have attacked women they’ve dated, according to the Center for American Progress.

Therein lies the loophole.

The federal ban on domestic abusers is limited because its definition of an abuser excludes acts of violence such as stalking, harassment and other forms of intimidation. Many abusers stalk their victims before harming them. Even if someone is convicted of stalking, he or she can still legally purchase a gun. The National Center for Victims of Crimes reports that 7.5 million people were stalked in 2011; 61 percent of those people were women.

David Conley allegedly threatened his ex-girlfriend, Valerie Jackson, with violence at least three times prior to the August 8 shooting. Abusers are eight times more likely to kill their victims if they have access to a gun.

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More reasons we need to close the loopholes. More reasons we need to redo gun control.
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It blows my mind how little power women have. I'd get so frustrated, I'd scream at every man I saw.
That is why my daughter CARRIES a Kimber 45 Semi Auto..

Women Buy a gun, EMPOWERMENT IS INCLUDED.
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More reasons we need to close the loopholes. More reasons we need to redo gun control.
More reason common sense law abiding people should carry... Decreases crime.

Gun Free Cities are seeing double digit increases in murder rates.
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More reason common sense law abiding people should carry... Decreases crime.

Gun Free Cities are seeing double digit increases in murder rates.

Doesn't make any sense, TN. This failed argument from the right has been proven to be nothing but nonsense.

IF the gun loopholes were closed, killings by guns would stop. MASS killings by guns would stop.

Your jibberish again doesn't hold up to facts. Why do you enjoy lying?

10 States With the Most Gun Violence - 24/7 Wall St.

Top ten states with the highest gun violence come from red states with lenient gun laws.

BTW, stopping access to guns from the mentally ill could possibly stop the majority of suicide by gun. Agree or disagree? Do you think PTSD vets should have guns?
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Doesn't make any sense, TN. This failed argument from the right has been proven to be nothing but nonsense.

IF the gun loopholes were closed, killings by guns would stop. MASS killings by guns would stop.

Your jibberish again doesn't hold up to facts. Why do you enjoy lying?

10 States With the Most Gun Violence - 24/7 Wall St.

Top ten states with the highest gun violence come from red states with lenient gun laws.

BTW, stopping access to guns from the mentally ill could possibly stop the majority of suicide by gun. Agree or disagree? Do you think PTSD vets should have guns?


Makes tons of sense. DO YOU REALLY THING CRIMINALS ARE GOING TO OBEY THE LAW... if so..

Heeerrreeee's your sign.


Criminals job description is to NOT OBEY THE LAW.


More murders occurred in Chicago last year then any city in the nation, Gun Free.

2nd was St Louis

TN would have very little violent crime if not for BLUE COUNTIES of Davidson and Shelby. 66% of all murders in our state occur in those 2 counties, both have the most restrictive local carry restrictions in the state.
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Makes tons of sense. DO YOU REALLY THING CRIMINALS ARE GOING TO OBEY THE LAW... if so..

Heeerrreeee's your sign.


Criminals job description is to NOT OBEY THE LAW.


More murders occurred in Chicago last year then any city in the nation, Gun Free.

2nd was St Louis

TN would have no crime if not for BLUE COUNTIES of Davidson and Shelby.
Well, we know one thing. GIVING Them access to guns through gun shows and private sales isn't working. THAT we know for sure.

How you can coldly allow police to be shot by the criminals and insane, and women and children to be killed at the hands of an abuser is beyond me. Must be your Baptists values which says "Life isn't all that important if it isn't born again".
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Well, we know one thing. GIVING Them access to guns through gun shows and private sales isn't working. THAT we know for sure.

How you can coldly allow police to be shot by the criminals and insane, and women and children to be killed at the hands of an abuser is beyond me. Must be your Baptists values which says "Life isn't all that important if it isn't born again".
in fact every state if you buy a gun at a gun show you have to have a background check. EVERY STATE.

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in fact every state if you buy a gun at a gun show you have to have a background check. EVERY STATE.

oops.
Liar. Or ignorant. with you, it's a combination of both.

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A House Democrat has introduced legislation that would require sellers to obtain a background check for all guns sold at gun shows.

Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) on Tuesday reintroduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act, a bill long championed by former Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.),.

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The bill would subject anyone selling or transferring a gun to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System and require that transfers be reported to the attorney general.

Maloney said a background check is required when a Federal Firearm Licensee wants to sell firearms at a gun show, but no such requirement exists for private sales.

Gun show operators would be required to register with the attorney general and provide information on upcoming shows, including the identity of all firearm vendors, and keep a record of all vendors’ identities.

The legislation would call on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to hire investigators to inspect gun shows and examine records kept by gun show operators and vendors.

“Background checks keep guns out of criminal hands, but for no good reason current law allows many guns to be sold without this basic step," Maloney said in a news release. "It wouldn't be hard for gun show hosts to set up a background check station for private sellers. Many states already have this requirement, and my legislation would nationalize it.”

While Maloney supports legislation that would universally expand background checks to cover gun shows and the internet, the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act is more narrowly focused on closing one loophole in what Maloney referred to as the nation’s Swiss-cheese background check system.
I think I see a pattern in you, TN. You write something out; it turns out to be a lie.

Again, why would you want to kill more cops in this nation by NOT closing a loophole which allows felons and violent cons and the mentally unstable to be able to buy a gun? Why would you want an abuser to shoot his wife and children? Are these the bottomline values of your Baptists background? Is life not important to you? do you not support the police in this nation?
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