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Old May 14th, 2017, 04:28 PM   #41
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The government could still stomp any militia's ass.
Sure, but it's the message that counts for the weak against the strong and not reality.
Speaking of which...
Do you think the US government via our military did a good job with the Iraqi and Afghan Taliban resistance?
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Sure, but it's the message that counts for the weak against the strong and not reality.
Speaking of which...
Do you think the US government via our military did a good job with the Iraqi and Afghan Taliban resistance?
No, but for several reasons. Primarily they wanted to look like good guys so again saw fit to wage limited war and nation build while they won hearts and minds. A repeatedly failed strategy.

That is the only hope a domestic insurrection has.
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But previous to the invention of guns, they were more apt to hurt themselves than others.
...and fall off of cliffs.

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The government could still stomp any militia's ass.
That is implying that the army is willing to take up arms against its people.
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You do not know how it would actually happen.
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No, but for several reasons. Primarily they wanted to look like good guys so again saw fit to wage limited war and nation build while they won hearts and minds. A repeatedly failed strategy.

That is the only hope a domestic insurrection has.
Not intentionally being a smartass butthead, but... Then an AR-15 (or the reliable AK-47) does stand a chance against an f-22 and other sophisticated weapons of war after all.

It's the message that counts, not reality.
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That is implying that the army is willing to take up arms against its people.
The Army are the people. This is not 1861; the people and the states make all the weapons. The states house the nuclear weapons. Etc. It would be a MADD standoff minutes after the start.
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The Army are the people. This is not 1861; the people and the states make all the weapons. The states house the nuclear weapons. Etc. It would be a MADD standoff minutes after the start.
Given how successful agent provocateurs have been in causing ethnic racial divisions and strife in this country of late, I don't know. I guess it boils down to if they see themselves as Americans (as I want to believe they are) or as segregated hyphenated others( as I fear they choose to be)?
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Not intentionally being a smartass butthead, but... Then an AR-15 (or the reliable AK-47) does stand a chance against an f-22 and other sophisticated weapons of war after all.

It's the message that counts, not reality.
Not if the powers that be don't care about offending a nuke power (Vietnam), or destabilizing an area (Iraq and Afghanistan) and are willing to pay the price in men and money. That is an advantage of a crushing a domestic insurrection, you have much less worry about outside factors. Just crush.
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Not if the powers that be don't care about offending a nuke power (Vietnam), or destabilizing an area (Iraq and Afghanistan) and are willing to pay the price in men and money. That is an advantage of a crushing a domestic insurrection, you have much less worry about outside factors. Just crush.
In this age of globalisation, outside factors matter all too well ( by the way, i know its 240 years late, but... Thanks France). Hence the message being mightier than a high tech plane. The Vietcong, Iraqi and Afghanistan insurgents know this well (they have their own benefactors). They didn't survive being squashed, they were annihilated many times over. But the message prevailed at how oppressed they were (while they successfully Hoodwinked the world at their own oppressions towards others)
Be that as it may, they couldn't have done this with Daisy's and sunflowers. That only works for hippies in a democracy.
In a war with a vicious entity is trying usurp power, or people try to protect themselves from an over reaching entity, guns are the only immediate answer when nothing else is available.

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