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Old May 14th, 2017, 09:50 PM   #51
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In this age of globalisation, outside factors matter all too well ( by the way, i know its 240 years late, but... Thanks France). Hence the message being mightier than a high tech plane. The Vietcong, Iraqi and Afghanistan insurgents know this well. They didn't survive being squashed, they were annihilated many times over. But the message prevailed at how oppressed they were (while they successfully Hoodwinked the world at their own oppressions towards others)
Be that as it may, they couldn't have done this with Daisy's and sunflowers. That only works for hippies in a democracy.
In a war with a vicious entity is trying usurp power, or people try to protect themselves from an over reaching entity, guns are the only immediate answer when nothing else is available.
Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, Assad and a few others managed to quell the message quite effectively. As I said, the powers that be just have to be sufficiently ruthless.
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Old May 14th, 2017, 10:09 PM   #52
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When was the last time an armed local population took up arms against the government in the US?

1949, quite successfully.
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Old May 14th, 2017, 11:07 PM   #53
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Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, Assad and a few others managed to quell the message quite effectively. As I said, the powers that be just have to be sufficiently ruthless.
Not good examples in arguing against gun ownership.
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Old May 15th, 2017, 05:27 AM   #54
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Not good examples in arguing against gun ownership.
The difference is that the US is a democracy. Why, in a democracy is there a need to have guns to protect ourselves from the elected government?

Once again, I feel that the resort to guns just enhances paranoia. Instead of target practice, maybe some of the ‘militias’ should use their energy to engage with the democratic process
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The difference is that the US is a democracy. Why, in a democracy is there a need to have guns to protect ourselves from the elected government?

Once again, I feel that the resort to guns just enhances paranoia. Instead of target practice, maybe some of the ‘militias’ should use their energy to engage with the democratic process
I keep having to tell foreigners that the US is a Republic and not a Democracy. The word Republic is found in the Constitution more than once but the word Democracy is not there.
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I keep having to tell foreigners that the US is a Republic and not a Democracy. The word Republic is found in the Constitution more than once but the word Democracy is not there.
Sorry for what you keep on having to tell foreigners.

"A government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law." Websters definition of a Republic. If you would be so kind, please explain to me why that is not a democracy?
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The difference is that the US is a democracy. Why, in a democracy is there a need to have guns to protect ourselves from the elected government?

Once again, I feel that the resort to guns just enhances paranoia. Instead of target practice, maybe some of the ‘militias’ should use their energy to engage with the democratic process
Athens, Tennessee, 1949. Democratic government stealing an election was stopped by armed private citizens.
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Sorry for what you keep on having to tell foreigners.

"A government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law." Websters definition of a Republic. If you would be so kind, please explain to me why that is not a democracy?
Using a dictionary to define the republican form of government created by the Founders will not work. Our republic is a representative form of government ruled by the Constitution, which is the rule of law. This is antipodal to a democracy. Our republic prohibits the federal government from any involvement in unalienable rights. A democracy can infringe or eliminate unalienable rights by majority. Our laws are created slowly and painstakingly with three branches of the government involved. Democracy is mob rule with instant lawmaking by a simple majority.
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Athens, Tennessee, 1949. Democratic government stealing an election was stopped by armed private citizens.
Thanks because the only one I could think of was the Whiskey Rebellion. Pittsburg, Pennsylvania who George Washington put down.
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Using a dictionary to define the republican form of government created by the Founders will not work. Our republic is a representative form of government ruled by the Constitution, which is the rule of law. This is antipodal to a democracy. Our republic prohibits the federal government from any involvement in unalienable rights. A democracy can infringe or eliminate unalienable rights by majority. Our laws are created slowly and painstakingly with three branches of the government involved. Democracy is mob rule with instant lawmaking by a simple majority.
Whilst I don't quite agree with what you contend about Democracy being 'mob rule'; I do understand your perspective. However, to say that representative government is 'antipodal' to democracy is surely stretching things a little. The US is a constitutional democracy (I won't lecture, I know you know this). The point is though, that it is a democracy; Syria, Iraq, USSR, Nazi Germany were not. So I would be grateful, given the US is a democracy (all be it one in which there are 'checks and balances') if you could explain why there is a need for citizens to protect themselves from the government that they democratically elected?
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