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Old October 24th, 2017, 08:54 AM   #51
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Thats 30 days denied due process without a single charge being levied. 1 day would be unacceptable.
Unacceptable to you but withing the parameters of the 2nd so there is no problem. It's a good idea. Totally constitutional and if it wasn't in your mind or isn't go right ahead , take them to court. Have fun with that.
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The difference you have an opportunity to appear before an election judge, with a clear set of rules, with an id.
Show us the fact that you can't argue the point. I'd like to see that. Sounds like right wing bullshit to me.
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I love it when you get to talk to these gun Bubas. 90% bullshit and the more you pin them down the more stupid their remarks become.
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Old October 24th, 2017, 09:23 AM   #54
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Their paranoia and fear levels are truly pathetic.

Most people who are killed by a gun in their own home, someone in their family owned it.

Read this full article at the link to get the full picture of the gun-nuts' glaring insanity. Here's a few excerpts.....

The Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun
The NRA is wrong: Owning a gun is far more likely to harm you than protect you.

Slate - MEDICAL EXAMINER
By Evan DeFilippis and Devin Hughes
JAN. 25 2015
(a few select excerpts)
A study from October 2013 analyzed data from 27 developed nations to examine the impact of firearm prevalence on the mortality rate. It found an extremely strong direct relationship between the number of firearms and firearm deaths. The paper concludes: “The current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.” This finding is bolstered by several previous studies that have revealed a significant link between gun ownership and firearm-related deaths. This international comparison is especially harrowing for women and children, who die from gun violence in America at far higher rates than in other countries.

If we examine data from within the United States, the odds aren’t any better for gun owners. The most recent study examining the relationship between firearms and homicide rates on a state level, published last April, found a significant positive relationship between gun ownership and overall homicide levels. Using data from 1981–2010 and the best firearm ownership proxy to date, the study found that for every 1 percent increase in gun ownership, there was a 1.1 percent increase in the firearm homicide rate and a 0.7 percent increase in the total homicide rate. This was after controlling for factors such as poverty, unemployment, income inequality, alcohol consumption, and nonhomicide violent crime. Further, the firearm ownership rate had no statistically significant impact on nonfirearm homicides, meaning there was no detectable substitution effect. That is, in the absence of guns, would-be criminals are not switching to knives or some other weapons to carry out homicide. These results are supported by a host of previous studies that illustrate that guns increase the rate of homicides.

The evidence against firearm ownership becomes even stronger when suicides and accidents are included in the analysis—guns make both much more likely and more fatal. There can be nothing closer to a consensus in the gun debate than this point. Indeed, every single case-control study ever conducted in the United States has found that gun ownership is a strong risk factor for suicide, even after adjusting for aggregate-level measures of suicidality such as mental illness, alcoholism, poverty, and so on.

One might accept that firearms are dangerous and that they substantially elevate the risk of homicide, suicide, and fatal accidents, but still believe that policies regulating gun ownership are ineffective—criminals, after all, won’t follow them. However, another recent study from May of 2013 analyzed the impact of state firearm laws on firearm-related fatalities. It found that the most gun-restrictive states have significantly fewer firearm fatalities than the states with the least restrictive laws. The results are in line with previous academic studies tackling the same question. These findings are further supported by a case study examining the impact of a 2007 Missouri decision to repeal its permit-to-purchase handgun licensing law. The research concluded that the repeal was associated with a 16 percent increase in annual murder rates, indicating that state gun control laws have a significant impact on the homicide rate.

Moving from state-level analysis to the household or individual, the risks for gun owners become even more apparent. A recent meta-analysis of 16 studies examined the relationship between firearms and gun deaths. Gun ownership doubled the risk of homicide and tripled the risk of suicide. This research is bolstered by a national survey that found that a gun in the home was far more likely to be used to threaten a family member or intimate partner than to be used in self-defense.

FBI data reveal that about twice as many homicides result from arguments than from felonies, and gang violence is only a small contributor. In a careful study of the relationships between homicide victims and perpetrators, analyzing data from 1981–2010, Michael Siegel and his colleagues reveal that for every 1 percent increase in gun ownership, there is a 0.9 percent increase in nonstranger homicide. Although stranger homicide does increase slightly as gun ownership rises, the increase is not statistically significant. This indicates that there is no deterrence effect from firearm ownership and that a firearm significantly increases the owner’s chances of killing or being killed by somebody he or she knows.
That is incorrect, U of Chicago Law school (You know the school that Obama did his undergraduate studies), Florida State confirmed this with a 2nd study and UCLA with a 3rd Study,

2,500,000 Crimes are stopped (while in progress) By armed Citizens.

So please take your URBAN myths and try to sell them to the Brothers Grimm.
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Old October 24th, 2017, 09:34 AM   #55
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Gun Facts | Gun Control Facts Concerning Concealed Carry

this is a list of the sources of the information provided in the study.


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An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates, Applied Economics Letters, Vol 21, No. 4
Florida Department of Justice, 1998
Shall issue: the new wave of concealed handgun permit laws,*Cramer C and Kopel D. Golden CO: Independence Institute Issue Paper. October 17, 1994
Some criminologist believe measuring first year change is shortsighted as it takes more than a year for permits to be issued, reach critical quantities, and for the criminally minded to recognize the new situation and avoid violent confrontations.
Bureau of Justice Statistics, online database, reviewing Texas and U.S. violent crime from 1995-2001.
Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, Lott, John R., and Mustard, David B. J. of Legal Studies, vol.26, n.1, pp.1-68 (Jan. 1997): This study involved county level crime statistics from*all*3,054 counties in the U.S., from 1977 through 1992. During this time ten states adopted right-to-carry laws. It is estimated that if all states had adopted right-to-carry laws, in 1992 the US would have avoided 1,400 murders, 4,200 rapes, 12,000 robberies, 60,000 aggravated assaults – and saved over $5,000,000,000 in victim expenses.
FBI, Uniform Crime Reports, 2004 – excludes Hawaii and Rhode Island – small populations and geographic isolation create other determinants to violent crime.
Federal legislation created a national “gun-free schools” policy, effective in 1996.* Some criminologists maintain this created a new dynamic, encouraging mass murder on campus. Thus, after 1995 it is increasingly difficult to make comparisons based on the effects of CCWs and mass shootings.
Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement, John Lott and William Landes, Law School of the University of Chicago, Law & Economics Working Paper No. 73
Law Enforcement Officers Killed by Concealed Handgun Permit Holders, VPC, December 13, 2009
Reports were as received.*No selection or filtering process was used.
Violent crime rates are from inception of “shall issue” CCW through 2006, the most recent period available through the Bureau of Justice Statistics online database.
October 1987 through Jan 2008
1995 – no follow-up data available at time of collection
1994 through 2007
1995 through 2004
2002 through 2006
In 2005 and 2006, Minnesota had an abnormal spike in robbery and aggravated assaults. The first three years of CCW in Minnesota saw violent crime rates being roughly stable and the problem has somewhat abated since then.
2001 through 2007
Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau, reported in San Antonio Express-News, September, 2000
An Analysis of the Arrest Rate of Texas Concealed Carry Handgun License Holders as Compared to the Arrest Rate of the Entire Texas Population, William E. Sturdevant, PE, September 11, 1999
Nina Butts, Texans Against Gun Violence, Dallas Morning News, August 10, 2000
John Holmes, Harris County [Houston, TX] District Attorney,*In Session: Handgun Law’s First Year Belies Fears of ‘Blood in the Streets,” Texas Lawyer, December 9, 1996
Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report, Florida Department of State, 1998 – Florida Game and Fresh Water Fish Commission, December 1998
State-by-state tally from licensing records conducted by Crime Prevention research Center
Gun Crimes Drop at Virginia Bars And Restaurants, Richmond Times-Dispatch, August 14, 2011, reporting data from the Virginia State Police
Basis For Revocation Or Suspension Of Texas Concealed, Texas Department of Public Safety, December 1, 1998
Texas Department of Corrections data, 1996-2000, compiled by the Texas State Rifle Association, www.tsra.com
These are year 2000 records. As of 2014, the number of Texas concealed carry license*holders was 825,957.
An Analysis Of The Arrest Rate Of Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders As Compared To The Arrest Rate Of The Entire Texas Population, William E. Sturdevant, PE, September 11, 1999
Glenn White, President of the Dallas Police Association, Dallas Morning News, December 23, 1997
Colonel James Wilson, Director Texas Department of Public Safety, Dallas Morning News, June 11, 1996
Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement,**Lott John R., Landes William M.; University of Chicago — Covers years 1977 to 1995
Gun Policy & Law Enforcement, PoliceOne, March 2013
Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun, by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, Volume 86, Number 1, Fall, 1995
Criminal Victimization in the United States, U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1993
Kleck and Gertz, National Self Defense Survey, 1995
Majority Say More Concealed Weapons Would Make U.S. Safer, Gallup Poll, October, 2015
Gun Policy & Law Enforcement, PoliceOne, arch 2013
National Association of Chiefs of Police, 17th Annual National Survey of Police Chiefs & Sheriffs, 2005
Glenn White, president, Dallas Police Association, Dallas Morning News, December 23, 1997
John B. Holmes, Harris County Texas district attorney, Dallas Morning News, December 23, 1997
Jerry Kilgore, Virginia Public Safety Secretary, Fredricksburg Freelance Star, February 2, 1996
Chief Dennis Nowicki, Charlotte-Mecklenburg North Carolina Police, News and Observer, November 24, 1997
Lt. William Burgess of the Calhoun County (Michigan) Sheriff Department, Battle Creek Enquirer, January 28, 2005
Detroit Police Chief James Craig,*Detroit police chief: Legal gun owners can deter crime, The Detroit News, January 3, 2014
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Show us the fact that you can't argue the point. I'd like to see that. Sounds like right wing bullshit to me.
Are you implying there is no election judge at the polling place? Are you implying that there is no opportunity to show an ID? What point are you disagreeing with?
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Unacceptable to you but withing the parameters of the 2nd so there is no problem. It's a good idea. Totally constitutional and if it wasn't in your mind or isn't go right ahead , take them to court. Have fun with that.
It might just be taken up with SCOTUS by someone. California sure got a taste of watching a large chunk of their gun laws get squashed.

But, so far on the federal level due process is being protected. Its only a small group of states who have the secret courts, with no opportunity to defend yourself of the initial claim.
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Show us the fact that you can't argue the point. I'd like to see that. Sounds like right wing bullshit to me.

How easy it is for someone to vote in your place


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That is incorrect, U of Chicago Law school (You know the school that Obama did his undergraduate studies), Florida State confirmed this with a 2nd study and UCLA with a 3rd Study,

2,500,000 Crimes are stopped (while in progress) By armed Citizens.

So please take your URBAN myths and try to sell them to the Brothers Grimm.
Take your bogus and thoroughly debunked NRA myths and shove 'em up your ass.

Your BS "study" is from one guy, Gary Klerk from Florida State U., in 1995.

http://www.oneutah.org/tag/kleck-de-...leck-debunked/

From the above:

"The ultimate proof the Kleck claim is bulls**t, is the fact that despite spending 35 million dollars/year to deceive the public and threaten politicians, in fourteen years since the study, the gun lobby has funded numerous FAILED attempts to repeat Kleck’s study."

*"It should be noted that Gary Kleck has refused to defend his study ever since it was published"


The facts and figures and statistics in the article that I excerpted and linked to in post #2 on this thread are recent and accurate....and have been reproduced by a number of other studies.

Your fraudulent figures are total bullshit.

The well verified fact is that the more guns there are floating around, the higher the murder and suicide rates become.
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Take your bogus and thoroughly debunked NRA myths and shove 'em up your ass.

Your BS "study" is from one guy, Gary Klerk from Florida State U., in 1995.

http://www.oneutah.org/tag/kleck-de-...leck-debunked/

From the above:

"The ultimate proof the Kleck claim is bulls**t, is the fact that despite spending 35 million dollars/year to deceive the public and threaten politicians, in fourteen years since the study, the gun lobby has funded numerous FAILED attempts to repeat Kleck’s study."

*"It should be noted that Gary Kleck has refused to defend his study ever since it was published"


The facts and figures and statistics in the article that I excerpted and linked to in post #2 on this thread are recent and accurate....and have been reproduced by a number of other studies.

Your fraudulent figures are total bullshit.

The well verified fact is that the more guns there are floating around, the higher the murder and suicide rates become.
Sorry my sources have no connection with the NRA,

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