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Old November 7th, 2017, 08:10 PM   #21
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Ahh...expecting critical thinking from a collectivist. Should we have a talk about santa Claus?
If I felt like dedicating a little time I could find some posts of his where he says building a wall on the border cannot keep people out. He is caught in a logic circle with that one and can't escape.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 08:24 PM   #22
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If I felt like dedicating a little time I could find some posts of his where he says building a wall on the border cannot keep people out. He is caught in a logic circle with that one and can't escape.
When you dont really have your own opinion i would assume that it would be difficult to keep straight.
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The point that appears to have flown right over all your barely functioning heads, is the more guns, the more shootings.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 08:57 PM   #24
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The point that appears to have flown right over all your barely functioning heads, is the more guns, the more shootings.
The point you are avoiding is the one you made earlier where you said the reason Mexico has a gun violence problem despite their tough gun laws, is that guns are flooding over the border. To which I said:

So does Mexico have a problem with an unsecured border?
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Old November 8th, 2017, 03:54 AM   #25
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The point that appears to have flown right over all your barely functioning heads, is the more guns, the more shootings.
But that runs counter to the facts. The number of guns and people carrying guns in America has exploded, while the number of gun crimes has dropped dramatically.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 04:04 AM   #26
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is the more guns, the more shootings.
If they want thus will happening so it's true point....
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Old November 8th, 2017, 04:18 AM   #27
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Surprise!, Surprise!, Surprise!

The more guns a country has, the more mass shootings it has.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/w...T.nav=top-news

But it's worth it!
What do you propose? Gun confiscation? Let's hear what you think should happen.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 04:19 AM   #28
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There is no question that District of Columbia v. Heller was precisely the sort of judicial activism the conservative justices of the Supreme Court promised not to do. In a 5 to 4 decision those justices ruled that the Second Amendment gives Americans the right to own guns for personal self-defense, despite the amendment’s opening language - “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, ” - which pretty clearly says that gun ownership was specifically preserved by the founding fathers in the interest of the common defense against a tyrannical government (remember, this was the issue on their minds back then). Gun rights advocates cheered. Gun control advocates cried foul.

But even though the 5-4 majority ruling makes an intellectual end run around the language of the Second Amendment to get to their ruling, they very clearly state that society (government, convened to collectively protect us from what we can’t protect ourselves from as individuals) has the right to, and legitimate interest in controlling gun ownership, in several specific ways.

On pp. 54 and 55, the majority opinion, written by conservative bastion Justice Antonin Scalia, states: “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited…”. It is “…not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

“Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time”. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’ ”

The court even recognizes a long-standing judicial precedent “…to consider… prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons.”

That language refers to many of the gun control ideas being discussed now. Prohibitions on carrying ‘dangerous and unusual weapons’ certainly might apply to assault rifles. Ammunition clips that hold 100 bullets…30…even 10, are hardly ‘usual’, certainly not for self-defense, or hunting.

“..conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.” might include requiring that everybody who wants to own a gun has to get a permit, and have a background check, conditions and qualifications that already pertain to purchases through gun stores, but not through private gun shows.

“…laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.” That certainly seems to challenge the NRA’s idea that more guns in schools is a good idea.

And perhaps most striking, the majority ruling in Heller specifically leaves open the question of whether the public has a right to carry “concealed weapons”, a bedrock claim of gun rights advocates.

Despite these critical qualifications, gun rights advocates say they are protected by the 2008 Supreme Court ruling, yet selectively ignore the many ways the court allows for some forms of gun control. And despite the way the court enshrines gun ownership as a personal right, gun control advocates criticize the ruling, yet selectively fail to acknowledge or try to take political advantage of the ways it gives them the legal ammunition to accomplish much of what they want. Why is that?

First, of course, because few of us have read the ruling. We take our news in bits and bites from the media, and rarely dig any further. (I hadn’t read the ruling until just the other day.) In fact, many of us don’t really read or watch or listen to the news at all. We get our information from advocates, or friends, or social connections, sources who generally share and thus only reinforce our ideologies and basic values.

The Supreme Court Ruling on the 2nd Amendment Did NOT Grant an Unlimited Right to Own Guns | Big Think
What do you want to do? propose something! Gun confiscation?
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If I felt like dedicating a little time I could find some posts of his where he says building a wall on the border cannot keep people out. He is caught in a logic circle with that one and can't escape.
It's Trump's nationalist rule as you know as good couldn't happening if he is retired after 1 year or one period as president. We will have an Democrat after next elections as you will justice with America.
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Maybe it is Russia and Trump having whining election 2016 !!! Maybe Pence takes over.
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