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Old November 9th, 2017, 06:25 AM   #41
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You start your post with an outright lie.

The number of mass shootings is directly proportional to gun ownership. The more guns the more people get shot.
That's true.
That was proven to be a lie. You can't call me a liar and try to back it up with a lie.

According to a 2015 study:

"Between 1993 and 2000, the gun homicide rate dropped by nearly half, from 7.0 homicides to 3.8 homicides per 100,000 people. Since then, the gun homicide rate has remained relatively flat. From 2009 to 2014, the most recent year data are available, the number of gun homicides has hovered around 11,000 and 12,000 per year."

Gun homicides steady after decline in ?90s; suicide rate edges up | Pew Research Center

In a 2016 article, I found this:

"Gun sales have increased in recent years. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, U.S. gun-makers produced nearly 11 million guns in 2013, the year after the Sandy Hook elementary school massacre. That's twice as many as they made in 2010."

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/05/46201...by-the-numbers

Your figures are not proving your claim.
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Old November 9th, 2017, 06:40 AM   #42
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This just in...car crashes are directly linked to car ownership.


Choking linked to eating.
OH, you want firearms and firearms owners regulated and controlled by government as closely as driving privileges and vehicle ownership.
Why, that sounds reasonable enough.
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Old November 9th, 2017, 06:48 AM   #43
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So what you are saying is that laws are not stopping illegal weapons from going over the border?

I find that very funny. Are you advocating for more border security or are you saying that laws are not enough to stop a criminal from using a weapon in a crime?
LOL... what laws have stopped ANY crime? We still have bank robberies, rapes, burglaries, etc.?
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Old November 9th, 2017, 07:00 AM   #44
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LOL... what laws have stopped ANY crime? We still have bank robberies, rapes, burglaries, etc.?
Exactly, we agree. Good neighborhoods are good because the people are good. Bad neighborhoods are bad because the people are bad. It's the condition of the heart.
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Old November 9th, 2017, 07:01 AM   #45
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The point you are avoiding is the one you made earlier where you said the reason Mexico has a gun violence problem despite their tough gun laws, is that guns are flooding over the border. To which I said:

So does Mexico have a problem with an unsecured border?
It's WHY their border is insecure. Mexico has a larger problem with corrpupt military and police that we do. PEOPLE control access THROUGH the gates, walls or whatever.
An overworked Mexican cop barely making enough to feed his family is put in a tough position when a Narco gives him the traditional choice of "oro o plomo."
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Old November 9th, 2017, 07:03 AM   #46
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OH, you want firearms and firearms owners regulated and controlled by government as closely as driving privileges and vehicle ownership.
Why, that sounds reasonable enough.
Let's take it a step further. Only people who got an Honorable Discharge and served in combat should be allowed to shoulder weapons. Solution: Make everyone join the military when 18 and serve a minimum of two years, That will winnow the wheat from the chaff.

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Old November 9th, 2017, 07:12 AM   #47
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Let's take it a step further. Only people who got an Honorable Discharge and served in combat should be allowed to shoulder weapons. Solution: Make everyone join the military when 18 and serve a minimum of two years, That will winnow the wheat from the chaff.
A bit extreme IMHO. Although I do agree there should be some sort of national service mandatory for all young American, male and female. You and I were Young men when their was a draft and most healthy (and preferably poor) young men served at least two years in the military. We were taught discipline and that yes there WAS something more important than our own selfish wants.
I guess today's young RW conservatives would sneer at that as "collectivism."
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Old November 9th, 2017, 07:16 AM   #48
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LOL... what laws have stopped ANY crime? We still have bank robberies, rapes, burglaries, etc.?
....and yet you want more laws. Go figure.
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Old November 9th, 2017, 07:17 AM   #49
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Let's take it a step further. Only people who got an Honorable Discharge and served in combat should be allowed to shoulder weapons. Solution: Make everyone join the military when 18 and serve a minimum of two years, That will winnow the wheat from the chaff.
The Right to keep and bear Arms is not a Right granted by the Constitution. It existed before the adoption of the Constitution and you cannot deny it to a citizen. Citizens can forfeit the Right via a criminal conviction. The only other time is if people have to be locked away or put into protective custody because they pose a threat to themselves and / or society.

You can, however, have an exercise in mental masturbation. That's covered by the First Amendment.
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Old November 9th, 2017, 07:20 AM   #50
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....and yet you want more laws. Go figure.
The democrat party is totally made up of lawyers. They love laws, more and more laws to control the people, but not themselves. They're above the law. They USE the law for selfish political purposes. Republicans are becoming just like them. That's why Washington DC is such a swamp.
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