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Old November 30th, 2017, 05:26 PM   #51
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I don't know the date, but it was P.I.
Ah, I joined in St. Louis, west of the Mississippi river, so I was sent to MCRD San Diego for boot camp.
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Old November 30th, 2017, 05:29 PM   #52
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Ah, I joined in St. Louis, west of the Mississippi river, so I was sent to MCRD San Diego for boot camp.
My family, on my dad's side, is from Wilmington Delaware.

I do remember living in Camp Pendleton back when I was 5 - 6 years old, and being able to see the Pacific ocean & sunsets beyond its horizon. I thought that was just a normal thing to have, now I live in Virginia (because my dad got transferred to Quantico).
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Old November 30th, 2017, 05:34 PM   #53
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It might only explain historical footnote stuff. Other than that it's just superficial or peripheral stuff.
LMAO hardly.

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I think everyone's right to keep and bear arms, as well as to own a weapon (or many weapons), are an inalienable, self evident truth. Some might argue that they are endowed by our Creator; I'm not religious, so I don't say things such as "our rights come from God", but I do agree with that general sentiment.

All the US Constitution does is essentially articulate the acknowledgement of that. It's essentially a contract between We the People collectively and those who serve in government that they're not going to infringe on those "God given" rights.

Now you tell me, where do you think our right to own a weapon comes from?
Your right to own a weapon comes directly form the 1689 EBoR as I stated in the OP.

Your inalienable rights simply are nothing more than the right to life, liberty and property. In the right to life you have the right to self defense, which still doesn't grant a right to own a weapon, it only allows you to defend yourself, family, or property.

To own a weapon is not a "god given right."
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Old November 30th, 2017, 05:37 PM   #54
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I'm a lot older than you. Joined the Marines in 1968, was issued an M-14 in boot camp. I was in one of the last training platoons to go completely through basic with an M-14. Now THAT is a fucking GREAT rifle!!!
You're definitely older.

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LMAO hardly.


Your right to own a weapon comes directly form the 1689 EBoR as I stated in the OP.

Your inalienable rights simply are nothing more than the right to life, liberty and property. In the right to life you have the right to self defense, which still doesn't grant a right to own a weapon, it only allows you to defend yourself, family, or property.

To own a weapon is not a "god given right."
You don't seem to understand that the United States is a sovereign, independent, separate nation from the British Empire, with its own separate Bill of Rights. I can't help you if you can't grasp this.
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You don't seem to understand that the United States is a sovereign, independent, separate nation from the British Empire, with its own separate Bill of Rights. I can't help you if you can't grasp this.
I understand it quite well, you can't seem to grasp that the right to own a weapon comes from the 1689 EBoR via English Common Law, which is the foundation of our law.

Here is a generic law site explaining the basics of where our laws are derived.
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England is the origin of the common law that exists in the U.S.. The English common law originated in the early middle ages in the King’s Court (Curia Regis) and eventually led to the formulation of various viable principles through which it continues to operate. The common law has its roots in the U.S continent with the first English colonists who claimed the common law system as their birthright.

After the American Revolution, this Common Law was adopted by each of the states as well as the national government of the new nation. When new states were formed, they also adopted the common law system either by an express provision or by a judicial decision. However, if states were formed from acquired territory where other systems of law prevail, then the question of which system prevailed was determined by legislative enactment or judicial decision.
https://commonlaw.uslegal.com/origins-of-common-law/

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In Smith v. Alabama, Mr. Justice Matthews, delivering the judgment of the court, said:

There is no common law of the United States, in the sense of a national customary law, distinct from the common law of England as adopted by the several States each for itself, applied as its local law, and subject to such alteration as may be provided by its own statutes. . . . There is, however, one clear exception to the statement that there is no national common law. The interpretation of the Constitution of the United States is necessarily influenced by the fact that its provisions are framed in the language of the English common law, and are to be read in the light of its history.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649

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I understand it quite well, you can't seem to grasp that the right to own a weapon comes from the 1689 EBoR via English Common Law, which is the foundation of our law.

Here is a generic law site explaining the basics of where our laws are derived.
https://commonlaw.uslegal.com/origins-of-common-law/

How about from the Supreme Court?https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649
Ok, I'll check this out when I get a chance, probably over the weekend.
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I understand it quite well, you can't seem to grasp that the right to own a weapon comes from the 1689 EBoR via English Common Law, which is the foundation of our law.

Here is a generic law site explaining the basics of where our laws are derived.
https://commonlaw.uslegal.com/origins-of-common-law/

How about from the Supreme Court?https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649
Ok, let's take a look at the very first paragraph from your first source:

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The Common law is a body of law based on custom and general principles embodied in case law which serve as precedent and is applied to situations not covered by statute. In other words, common law includes those principles, usages and rules of action applicable to the government and security of person and property, which do not rest for their authority upon any express and positive declaration of the will of the legislature[i]. The Common law applies only to civil cases.
The part I highlighted in red brings your entire argument crashing down. It's not necessary (I can still bring it down without the need for it), but it's good enough: keeping and bearing arms has nothing to do with civil cases.
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Ok, let's take a look at the very first paragraph from your first source:


The part I highlighted in red brings your entire argument crashing down. It's not necessary (I can still bring it down without the need for it), but it's good enough: keeping and bearing arms has nothing to do with civil cases.
LMFAO SMFH You're not even responding to the claim made. English Common Law is the foundation of our laws. Your right to own a weapon comes from the 1689 EBoR.

Your claim was I'm not English. I'm a US Citizen & the US declared and gained independence from the British Empire. The story in the OP is about something that happened in the US, not England. I'm talking about the US Constitution. and the United States is a sovereign, independent, separate nation from the British Empire, with its own separate Bill of Rights..

Nothing you have posted has brought my point or claim "crashing down" in any way.

Please, try again.

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Old December 1st, 2017, 06:35 PM   #60
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LMFAO SMFH You're not even responding to the claim made. English Common Law is the foundation of our laws. Your right to own a weapon comes from the 1689 EBoR.
Yeah, because at this point it's not necessary.

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Your claim was I'm not English. I'm a US Citizen & the US declared and gained independence from the British Empire. The story in the OP is about something that happened in the US, not England. I'm talking about the US Constitution. and the United States is a sovereign, independent, separate nation from the British Empire, with its own separate Bill of Rights..
Yes, that is what I stated. Why do you bring it up, just to amuse yourself, or did you forget to include a rebuttal or reason for bringing it up?

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Nothing you have posted has brought my point or claim "crashing down" in any way.
You can believe this if you want to, but I'm confident enough that everyone else reading this will see that it has been brought down.

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Please, try again.
Nah, that's ok; I think I'm good. If you want me to continue, give me a good enough reason.

Until then - tah tah.

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