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Old February 22nd, 2018, 01:38 PM   #31
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Emotionalism.

The People have a Right.
What about the 17 dead in Florida ? Or the 58 dead in Las Vegas ? Every right granted to them under our Constitution was extinguished in an instant. Why is it that gun nuts think that they are the only people who enjoy Constitutional rights ? Go screw yourself pal.
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 02:07 PM   #32
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Emotionalism? Because you say so?

Asserting “The People have a Right” is a textbook example of “Emotionalism”
There is no argument being made, no attempt at building a case. It’s a sound bite attempting to silence any debate on the topic.

LOL

The 2nd Amendment, the Right of the People to keep and bear arms.

Then he tries and claim that that is emotionalism.

More people are murdered by knives than AR-15's.

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Old February 22nd, 2018, 02:09 PM   #33
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Not total confiscation.
Hunting rifles are fine, shotguns are fine, target guns are fine.

Guns designed to kill people, should be restricted to the military and police.


Gun grabber alert. We get it though, the Constitution is for shredding by you leftists.

Tough luck, but that ain't happening.
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 02:11 PM   #34
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What about the 17 dead in Florida ? Or the 58 dead in Las Vegas ? Every right granted to them under our Constitution was extinguished in an instant. Why is it that gun nuts think that they are the only people who enjoy Constitutional rights ? Go screw yourself pal.

LOL

Emotionalism with added name calling.

More people die by knife every year than by AR-15.
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 02:18 PM   #35
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Gun grabber alert. We get it though, the Constitution is for shredding by you leftists.

Tough luck, but that ain't happening.
Gay marriage was never gonna happen either...

What's true is that it's not going to happen tomorrow.
It is going to happen...
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 02:32 PM   #36
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Gay marriage was never gonna happen either...

What's true is that it's not going to happen tomorrow.
It is going to happen...


Marriage isn't in the Constitution. Or are you claiming judicial fiat, as is how homosexual marriage came about, will also be used to ban guns?

That way lies revolution, and you lose.
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 03:00 PM   #37
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Consistently, the dumbest argument put forward by gun control supporters is the idea that the Founding Fathers—one of the best-educated and most intelligent groups of men ever assembled in world history—simply couldn’t have imagined that modern firearms could be invented, and so that the natural right of citizens to own these rifles couldn’t possibly exist.

This is of course an argument from a position of deep ignorance, as multi-shot, magazine-fed weapons were already around for hundreds of years prior to the writing of the Second Amendment.

Further, the same Founding Fathers who privately owned muskets, rifles, mortars, cannons, and war ships capable of reducing a coastal city into rubble also owned multi-shot, magazine-fed weapons like the Girandoni (first fielded in combat in the 1770s in Europe) Thomas Jefferson sent west with Lewis and Clark.
One of the men to credit for why repeating arms became much less expensive during the 19th century is James Madison, author of the Second Amendment. During Madison’s presidency (1809-17), Secretary of War James Monroe (who would succeed Madison as president), successfully promoted legislation to foster the development of firearms technology. In particular, the federal armories at Springfield, Mass., and Harpers Ferry, Va., were ordered to invent the means of producing firearms with interchangeable parts.

To function reliably, repeating firearms must have internal components that fit together very precisely — much more precisely than is necessary for single-shot firearms. Before President Madison and Secretary Monroe started the manufacturing revolution, firearms were built one at a time by craftsmen. Making a repeating arm required much more time and expertise than making a single-shot firearm. How to make repeating arms was well-known, but making them at a labor cost the average person could afford was impossible.

Thanks to the technology innovation labs created at Springfield and Harpers Ferry, inventors found ways to manufacture firearms components at a higher rate, and with more consistency for each part. Instead of every part being made by hand, parts were manufactured with machine tools (tools that make other tools). For example, the wooden stocks for rifles could be repetitively manufactured with such precision that any stock from a factory would fit any rifle from the factory, with no need for craftsmen to shave or adjust the stock.
Kopel goes on to note that we do not limit any right to 18th Century technologies, a fact specifically mentioned by the United States Supreme Court’s Heller decision.
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 03:10 PM   #38
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So those on the Left that want the AR15 banned, are not capable of even articulating what it is that they want.
No that's your projection.

Which makes you dishonest.
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Consistently, the dumbest argument put forward by gun control supporters is the idea that the Founding Fathers—one of the best-educated and most intelligent groups of men ever assembled in world history—simply couldn’t have imagined that modern firearms could be invented, and so that the natural right of citizens to own these rifles couldn’t possibly exist.

This is of course an argument from a position of deep ignorance, as multi-shot, magazine-fed weapons were already around for hundreds of years prior to the writing of the Second Amendment.

Further, the same Founding Fathers who privately owned muskets, rifles, mortars, cannons, and war ships capable of reducing a coastal city into rubble also owned multi-shot, magazine-fed weapons like the Girandoni (first fielded in combat in the 1770s in Europe) Thomas Jefferson sent west with Lewis and Clark.

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Is the Girandoni itself the weapon referred to as multi-shot magazine-fed weapon? If so, it had definite issues. & I don't follow the hundreds of years prior to the Second Amendment statement. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle

"The Girandoni air rifle was in service with the Austrian army from 1780 to around 1815. The advantages of a high rate of fire, no smoke from propellants, and low muzzle report granted it acceptance. It did have problems and was eventually removed from service for several reasons decades after introduction. While the detachable air reservoir was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1,500 strokes of a hand pump to fill those reservoirs. Later, a wagon-mounted pump was provided. The reservoirs, made from hammered sheet iron held together with rivets and sealed by brazing, proved very difficult to manufacture using the techniques of the period and were always in short supply.

"In addition, the weapon was very delicate and a small break in the reservoir could make it inoperable. Finally, it was very different from any other weapon of the time and any soldier using it needed to be highly trained."

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

It was very delicate - hardly an advantage for Lewis & Clark, trailblazing across North America. & the magazine was gravity fed, unlike modern weapons. Yes, with a wagon-mounted pump to provide air pressure, it would have been a much more feasible weapon system - although the likelihood of finding good roads in the wilds of N. America in the 1770s would still be astronomically bad.
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 04:02 PM   #40
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So how many school shootings using a Girandoni were there in 1793, say?

That's not the point. the point is that nearly every civilized country has restricted civilian firearm possession.
The Second Amendment is a legal curiosity, something that is difficult to remove, despite the fact that hardly anyone wants what it does.

We just haven't had sufficient massacres to mobilize the 2nd repeal.
But they'll happen if we keep it long enough.
I think the Supreme Court revisits some of it's more outrageous rulings, and finds that membership in a well regulated militia is a part of the right to firearm possession.
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